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I have. I think she is still single. Do you want her number? Some how I'm not sure she'd be that into you though.


lol, I wouldn't even want her number. :-)
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Old 21.11.2014, 15:29
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lol, I wouldn't even want her number. :-)
Why not? She's super successful, has a great job, tons of her own money...

So she wouldn't be a burden on you. Isn't that what you want? You might end up being a burden on her though.

Perhaps you are right. She wouldn't want that.


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Not even your child's?
Surely by age 5 they can start working and contributing, no? He shouldn't be expected to support those lazy so and sos, should he?
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> Easy. I wrote vulnerable person, you read vulnerable woman. In my opinion this is nice illustration where is the source of your delusions. You see ploting women everywhere. I mean, maybe you are single for too long*



lol, now you are making unfounded assumptions (you are a woman) :-)


No, I am not single.


> Basicaly and very simplifed, life during marriage is shared, so is everything that you gain in the mean time. When you divorce, all of this will go on half.



I don't agree with that. I'd definitely get a prenup which clearly defines who gets what.


>Childern are separate case and both parents take their part of responsibility for them.



Agree there.

If one of the parterns (please read this time carefully: man or woman) put his career into the background to take care of domestic things than he or she is often compensated for this.

Most of this decisions are conscious and in mutual agreement between partners. You can also choose more balanced job/domestic life and in that case the after divorce obligations will be different.



If the man, for example, wants it that way, fine. If he says, dear wife, please stay at home and look after the children then he has to deal with what that will mean at crunch time.


If the woman also wants to be fully dependent on the man for her finance that's her decision too.



> *Don't be mad, it is Friday



I'm not mad, I'm amused by this thread and reassured in my decision to not want to get married.
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Why not? She's super successful, has a great job, tons of her own money...

So she wouldn't be a burden on you. Isn't that what you want? You might end up being a burden on her though.

Perhaps you are right. She wouldn't want that.




Surely by age 5 they can start working and contributing, no? He shouldn't be expected to support those lazy so and sos, should he?




Useful post. Sure both of you would make a great couple. :-)
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Re: Children after Separation/Alimony

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm impressed by the speed and thoroughness with which TenaciousJ has made this thread all about him.
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Thanks lucy_who. Do you want to take over?
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Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm impressed by the speed and thoroughness with which TenaciousJ has made this thread all about him.
But at least he's finally managed to use the quote function correctly.
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Re: Children after Separation/Alimony

At what age of the kids does the mother need to start working 50% / 80% and 100%?
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Approximate rule of thumb for marriages in Switzerland.

(Total Assets - assets prior to marriage - inheritence)/2 is how the wealth accrued is split.

In a mutual marriage, where both parties are earning and there are no children, courts are unlikely to award alimony if the marriage has lasted <10 years.

In the case of children things change. Child support is dealt with separately, so we'll skip that for a moment. For alimony the primary care giver will receive a payment from the other party. Both parties have to submit their total income and expenditure and the court will decide on an equitable split. Typically this amount reduces over time as the primary care giver is required to return to work once the children pass various age milestones.

Things are never quite as black/white as above - and the courts are becoming a bit tighter where the primary care giver is highly qualified - even if they have been out of the workforce for a significent amount of time.

In the traditional model the alimony is there to compensate the woman for having given up her job/career to care for the home/family etc.

Divorce law in Switzerland is very different to the UK and US.
What are the age milestones?
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As much as I despise this: If the second couple are married, the Courts do view the financial commitment to the children in the second marriage as more important once the child out of the previous relationship is of age..

Yes the child from a previous relationship is not expected to suffer due to "over-production" BUT if financially the father is no longer able to pay amount X due to the costs of his new family, the father can apply to the Courts to have the child support reduced.
Well, that is exactly what I did say - Once the child of the previous relationship is of age (or at least qualified enough to be self-supporting).

Sometimes the child chooses to continue studying something more elaborate than a simple apprenticeship, which they can do until the age of 27, the final cut-off point when the child support falls away completely.

Yes, the father can apply to the courts to have the support reduced at any time, if his new situation is threatening to fall below the breadline in supporting his new family.
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