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where to send my son for university?

The family will be moving to Geneva may of next year. My eldest son is now doing his final year of university studies. Do you know which universities we can send him in Geneva next year? I've looked at the University of Geneva but my son does not speak French (only English and a little Russian). I've also looked at some universities with English as the medium of instruction (International University Geneva, Business & Management University, Webster, Institute of Finance and Management) but I have no idea with the quality of these institutions. The tuition fee is really expensive, and we hope their quality of education pays off. We really need your advice. Merci beaucoup!
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Hi sylviaa, welcome to to forum.

You say your son is currently in his final year of university studies, yet you are looking for a university in Geneva for next May. Is this because he would like to transfer universities, or because he would be beginning a new program the following academic year? It would be basically impossible for him to transfer to another university to finish his degree at this stage, and the best thing would be for him to finish his degree at his current institution.

Another question: if he's planning on doing further university education in Switzerland, what type of program would he be studying? Note that the normal cantonal universities (i.e. public ones) will have a smattering of course offerings in English, but the working language will be the local one (French or German). The technical university in Lausanne (science and engineering school) would have more instruction in English, although French is still the main language at the undergraduate level. Graduate programs can be done in English.

The Private schools in Geneva are smaller and more expensive, with a limited range of course offerings. I think the best place for English-language university would be the UK/Ireland or overseas. Perhaps your son would like the adventure of living on his own?

Anywho, if you could provide a few more specific details about why he wants to transfer and what program he's studying, I might be able to be of further assistance.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

I'm terribly sorry, I made a typing mistake! My son is in his final year of high school studies. Yes I am looking for a recognized English-speaking university. My son has not yet decided which areas he would want to concentrate on, but he is thinking of doing pre-medicine or psychology. Thank you, HeatherM.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

A quick question: where are you currently living??
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Currently, we are in Brazil.
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Brazil! Someone was up early this morning.

Anyway, I've been looking into this a bit more, and the bad news is that if studying in Switzerland is an absolute requirement, it will be difficult to do in English only. The main universities near Geneva are all French-language, and ones further away would be in German.

So far as I understand, the other private Universities you found in Geneva mainly cater to business-oriented people. If you look at the course offerings, most programs are for business administration, finance, etc.. Webster University does offer psychology, but it is very small (500 students) and has no other science programs, which isn't so helpful if your son is going to study-pre-medicine.

If the reason you'd like your son to study in Geneva is so he can be nearby, you'd be interested to know that EasyJet has flights between Geneva and Bournemouth, Bristol, Liverpool, Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Newcastle and East Midlands (Nottingham), Edinburgh, and Glasgow in the UK. These flights can be quite cheap, and the flights only take an hour or two, depending on the destination. My husband and I occasionally fly to England just for weekend visits and it's not all that expensive or that far. Sometimes the return trip for one person costs less than 100 Swiss Francs! (Not including transit to/from airports). So he might want to look into Universities in the UK. The language wouldn't be a problem (unless he ended up in Scotland.....) and he could come home for weekend visits throughout the school year and for longer holidays without an spending an enormous amount of money or too much time travelling. It's just a thought.

As an aside, based on my own university experience, I was in a similar situation to your son when I began university, and wasn't sure what program to take. Fortunately, I went to an institution where I could take one year of general science courses: biology, chemistry, physics, math and psychology. After one year I was able to choose which of the subjects I wanted to major in. I thought this was a great way to figure out which courses I really enjoyed (i.e. not just based on my experience in high school) and it also relieved the pressure of having to decide what I wanted to major in straight out of high school. Perhaps a similar approach would appeal to your son?

Anyway, hope this has been some help. I think you should give the UK option some serious thought. It would be a great opportunity for your son!

HM
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Anyway, hope this has been some help. I think you should give the UK option some serious thought. It would be a great opportunity for your son!

HM

Yep, assuming there are no visa issues, a UK university would be a very good option for an English speaker. Part of the whole idea of going to university (in the UK at least) is that the student lives far away from home and gets used to life away from the parents.

As pointed out by another posters, thanks to Easyjet Geneva is very well connected with the UK so end of term flights home would be no problem.


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Re: where to send my son for university?

Thank you for the very detailed response, HeatherM! My husband I haven't really thought about sending our son to the UK, but if there's no English-speaking university that offers pre-medicine, then I guess UK would be a good choice.

The only thing that worries me is I haven't had the experience of letting "go" of a child, and I'm not sure if my husband's employer (UN) will pay for my son's room &board expenses while we are in Geneva.

But thank you, HeatherM and Gav for your replies. We'll surely consider that.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

sylviaa, if you send your son to Uni in the UK an he want to do medicine be aware that there is no such thing (as far as I know) as pre-medicine. Students start with medicine right away and if I remember correctly it is a five/six year course. In Scotland the best place to study medicine is Edinburgh University.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

Correct Lou, there is no premed course in Europe. In the UK its a 5 year course and competition to get in is fierce... As for the best place in Scotland, Glasgow is much better
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Re: where to send my son for university?

Aren't the fees for foreign students almost three times higher in UK?

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There is always the first time and it's something you have to do if you want your son to become his own person.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

Yes I think its about 16000 per year... but I'm not sure. The other problem ofcourse is the UCAS application procedure which I believe has closed for students wishing to start in 2007.

I might suggest you consider taking a GAP year. Basically instead of going straight to university it might be good if your son takes some time to work, learn the language or travel and decide exactly where and what he would like to study. Especially if there is an interest in medicine. Its a very tough course and different countries have different entry requirements. It would be a shame if a rushed decision is made due to the move.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

Gap year is a very good idea by Lynn.
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if you send your son to Uni in the UK an he wants to do medicine be aware that there is no such thing (as far as I know) as pre-medicine.
It is true that there are no programs called pre-medicine, but entry into medical schools in countries that require a degree first (e.g the US) doesn't require a degree in "pre-medicine". Rather, pre-medicine schooling describes any degree that will provide you with sufficient qualifications to enter medical school. In general, a degree in biology with a smattering of chemistry, psychology, and liberal arts will suffice, but as each medical school sets its own requirements, degrees sometimes have to be tailored to meet the exact requirements of a certain university. The advantage of doing a program with a major is that there is something to fall back on if medical school doesn't work out. Post-gradute work is another possible option.
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...I think its about 16000 per year... but I'm not sure.
Yep, but this is true world-wide. Unless you go to university in the country where you are a citizen or permanant resident, the tuition fees are very high. It's not 16000 per year, but still reasonably steep. Birmingham lists science international tuition at 11700, which doesn't include books or living expenses, and I know the rates in Canada for international students are almost as high as that. I'm not sure if there's really a way around this, though, unless, as sylviaa mentioned, you're lucky enough to have an employer willing to foot part of the bill...
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The other problem ofcourse is the UCAS application procedure which I believe has closed for students wishing to start in 2007.
There are several dealines for UCAS applications, listed on this website. Last-minute admissions can be made until September 2007, but the Jan 15 (for UK/EU students) or June (immediate consideration) deadlines are probably the ones to aim for.

In the end, I really think the decision to go to uni or take a GAP year should be up to your son. Hopefully, now that both he and you are a bit more aware of the options, he'll be better equipped to make a decision. Regardless of what he chooses to do, next year will be a real adventure for him (in a good way) and I wish him all the best!
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Re: where to send my son for university?

also, another thing you might want to check is whether a US high school diploma is sufficient for entry into a Swiss university
Students in Switzerland are 19 or 20 when they graduate from high school with a "Matura" and it's quite an accomplishment in itself. not a lot of Swiss have the "Matura"
just a thought... might want to check that one
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Re: where to send my son for university?

Hi,
in Scotland you may be able to do some sort of course such as physiology which will act as a pre-med course, usually do this if don`t have high enough grades to get into med-school, but it is possible to take this route, I have a colleague who`s daughter has just done this.
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Re: where to send my son for university?

Hey, sylviaa!

I'm going through the same situation right now. Last year I decided I'd like to study in Switzerland because: a) Uni is cheaper than a good private college in Mexico, b) I love it here! c) a Swiss diploma might open more job possibilities than a Mexican one.

I am actually Swiss, but studied in Mexico and didn't speak a word German last year... With the help of some Swiss friends I looked up all the possibilities. The requirements most Universities ask for, are a certain German/French level :S and a a good note on the highest possible "school" before University, this means High School for countries like the US and Mexico.

Here's a link that might help you. If you scroll down, you'll find the requirements needed per country to get into the different Swiss Universities: http://www.crus.ch/mehrspr/enic/kza/frameset_ausl_d.htm
(it's only in German and French, if you have no one to translate it around you, I'm sure we can help you)

What I decided to do is take a gap year, learn German, and if everything goes well I'll begin my studies next September in Lucerne.

Hope you can make a decision that satisfies you!

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Re: where to send my son for university?

thank goodness that i found this thread !! sylviaa, i am a student right now in a uni in geneva where they use english for most of the programs
but i also want to be a doctor so im thinking of going to UK to pursue that.

on another note i would like to ask everyone's advice , i am also planning to study in the UK next year .. one of my parents works with the UN (P-4 level) and i was wondering if I study in the UK for university (undergraduate,3 years), would the education grant also pay for room and board?
because i know they pay for 75% of the tuition fee (for a maximum amount) and a certain amount for books. thank u
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