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The Law changed in January 2013. Spouses can take the name their wife or husband, or keep their own- but NOT both. People married before 2013 will be able to keep a double.barreled name though. If each has chosen to keep his or her name- they have to choose which one will pass on the name to the children. They have a year after the birth to finalise this. All children will have to have the same name in future.

So you can both become Smith, or both become Müller, or you remain Smith and s/he remains Müller, and the children could be either, but all the same. But no double barreled name on any official documents, as said, from Jan 13. I'd cut a newspaper cutting at the time, and just found it on the side of the pantry fridge!
But if you're not Swiss and already have a double barrelled surname presumably you are allowed to keep that? They can't force you to change your actual surname as all your identity documents from 'home' will carry that name ( birth certicate, passport etc). Presumably in this instance if a couple chose to take that name it would be allowed too? And any future kids would have the same name? But there would be no possibility to make the name any longer by adding another name in the future which seems fair enough.

Whether someone can change a simple single surname for a double barrelled name ( in another country) and then use that is another matter as they are actively trying to circumvent the law. The authorities will know that the OP didn't have that name prior to 2013.

I doubt that anyone on here is qualified to answer the OP's question and he is best consulting with a lawyer to find out for sure.
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Old 24.03.2015, 10:48
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Hi,
. . .
My new name would then be, for example,

John Smith-Muller
. . .
Just confirm that it is not John Smith-Müller before you get anything printed, like, for example, the label on the mailbox.
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Old 24.03.2015, 10:55
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Re: Double barreled surnames

I know a guy whose last name before marriage was Müller-Thurgau, after marriage (old law) it became Mr. Müller-Thurgau Veltliner and she remained Ms. Veltliner.
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Re: Double barreled surnames

Good friends of ours married and they decided against "Schmidt-Smith"

on this note:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/in...tu#.xvDpM2KBMl

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Good friends of ours married and they decided against "Schmidt-Smith"
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In the Heimatort of a Hunziker family, I once saw a gravestone engraved with the surname Hunziker-Hunziker !
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Re: Double barreled surnames

I see many professional women with two names here, which I assumed were their maiden and married name. I would be told I have an appointment with the Artzin Frau Dr Mayer (because you have to realllllly make sure that the patient knows the dr is female) and when I get to the dr would see lots of Drs listed including a Stefan Mayer and a Sabrina Mayer-Müller (or Müller-Mayer). Neither of which is the Frau Dr Mayer.... I would guess that they keep their maiden names because that is their professional name and then add their husbands on. But it's very confusing to me why they just don't pick one name and stick with it (like they have to from 2013). It's almost like a safety net in case they get divorced and they can go back to their old name.
(which would've been a good idea actually, I took my husband name when we married because I wasn't fully qualified or known professionally then, and now I'm stuck with it.... mind you, I like having the same name as my child)
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Re: Double barreled surnames

This seems to explain the options quite clearly after the 2013 law.

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/

Interestingly, they say the hypened name can still be used after the 2013 law, albeit non-offically, but can be inscribed in offical documents like passport and identy cards.

Also, presumably, if you come to CH will a double name already, they cannot deny this. I have many latin american colleagues who have double names, no hyphen, and this is their norm.
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Re: Double barreled surnames

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More here on it too:

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/

So Smith Muller isn't allowed, but Smith-Muller is! Thank goodness I was old fashioned and took my husband's name.
Yeah, I think I was confused - I thought no type of double name was allowed, with or without hyphens.

Meine Frau has now spoken to the head of the local zivilstandsamt (who is also apparently a lawyer), and he has said that she can indeed become

Smith-Muller

I would then however keep Smith. But I will then be able to use a UK deed poll to update my name after the wedding to match.

Which actually is useful as it takes 6 weeks to update a passport with a name change in the UK, and before the wedding I don't really have a 6 week window in which I don't need my passport!
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,,,Interestingly, they say the hypened name can still be used after the 2013 law, albeit non-offically, but can be inscribed in offical documents like passport and identy cards...
Emphasis mine. Oh, glad that's crystal clear then.
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Old 24.03.2015, 12:25
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Emphasis mine. Oh, glad that's crystal clear then.
Yeah I read that on the link posted by Medea earlier and it didn't really make any sense at all to me.
How can it be non official but used on official documents.
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Yeah, I think I was confused - I thought no type of double name was allowed, with or without hyphens.

Meine Frau has now spoken to the head of the local zivilstandsamt (who is also apparently a lawyer), and he has said that she can indeed become

Smith-Muller

I would then however keep Smith. But I will then be able to use a UK deed poll to update my name after the wedding to match.
Now I wonder about your possible future Kids.

Deed poll before mariage, simple.

a) If she takes your name, her Allianzname will be Smith-Muller-Müller.
As of time of marriage name you both have the same name kids name would be Smith-Muller.

b) If she keeps her name, her Allianzname will be Müller-Smith-Muller,
As of time of marriage your names are different you have to chose which name will be the name of your kids. If you chose her name, the kids will be known as Müller. If you choose your name it will be Smith-Muller.


Deed poll after marriage:

a) If she takes your name, her Allianzname will be Smith-Müller.
As of time of marriage name you both have the same name, kids name would be Smith at least until the deed poll.

b) If she keeps her name, her Allianzname will be Müller-Smith,
As of time of marriage your names are different you have to chose which name will be the name of your kids. If you chose her name, the kids will be known as Müller. If you choose your name it will be Smith at least until deed pool.

Now comes the deed poll.

Now what when you change your name. Does she in a) also become Smith-Muller as well? (And then she could use the Allianzname Smith-Muller-Müller ?). In that case, as you both have the same name, your kids name would be Smith-Muller. But if she remains a Smith, the you have separate names and you have to decide to either use Smith or Smith-Muller as the kids name.

In b) her Allianzname would become Müller-Smith-Muller. If you decided on her name as the kids name the kids name will be Müller. If you decide on your name any kid born more than one year before deed poll would be Smith (? as Names are normally fixed and cannot easily be changed, maybe you can use a deed poll for your offspring as well).

PS: You have one year after the birth of your first born to decide on the kids name. Unfortunately, all kids must have the same name, so it is not possible to name the girls Smith and the boys Müller.

About Allianzname in ID documents:
http://www.schweizerpass.admin.ch/pa...aenzungen.html
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But if you're not Swiss and already have a double barrelled surname presumably you are allowed to keep that? They can't force you to change your actual surname as all your identity documents from 'home' will carry that name ( birth certicate, passport etc). Presumably in this instance if a couple chose to take that name it would be allowed too? And any future kids would have the same name? But there would be no possibility to make the name any longer by adding another name in the future which seems fair enough.

Whether someone can change a simple single surname for a double barrelled name ( in another country) and then use that is another matter as they are actively trying to circumvent the law. The authorities will know that the OP didn't have that name prior to 2013.

I doubt that anyone on here is qualified to answer the OP's question and he is best consulting with a lawyer to find out for sure.
Fair enough- but OP is marrying a Swiss in Switzerland if I understand correctly- so i'd imagined current Swiss Law would apply. But yes, check with a lawyer or the Kantonal authorities.
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change your name to Jellyfish McSaveloy and be done with it.
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he has said that she can indeed become

Smith-Muller

I would then however keep Smith. But I will then be able to use a UK deed poll to update my name after the wedding to match.
Did you actually do this? I was contemplating your original idea separately to change names first before registering marriage. The consulate in NY seems to think Switzerland has to accept what the foreign government does, but that doesn't seem to be the consensus on this forum.
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The consulate in NY seems to think Switzerland has to accept what the foreign government does.
Only if neither of you is Swiss.

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For my 5 pence, doubled-barreled names sound REALLY shit. All that effort, and no one other than perhaps a doctor's receptionist will ever call you by your full name.
What? I kind of like Grand-Slammer the Magnificent!
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It's not illegal. (Edit: or certainly wasn't until very recently.)

My Swiss passport has me as 'my first name and my last name'. My wife's Swiss passport has 'her first name and my last name-hyphen-her last name'.

I just have to be sure I enter this when booking air tickets so the ticket and passport name are the same. I feel this convention is rather nice and allows the wife's maiden name to continue...


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Re: Double barreled surnames

My married name does not not fit on to any card nowadays, so will go for a name change this year
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Well thanks for that post! I've been pondering for the last 9 years whether you were male or female. Now I know..
Hey, this is the 21st century, you still don´t know.
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Well thanks for that post! I've been pondering for the last 9 years whether you were male or female. Now I know..
Must admit I thought the same thing.
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