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Just to say we had a baby at The Bethanian recently and would recommend it. I will try to write a walk-through-talk-through so others can know what to expect.

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Hi All,

Does anyone had birth experience in ZH?
If any then pls share it with me since I'm 3months pregnant and unable to decide where to have the baby.
I cannot have a baby in one of the hirslanden clinic as I only have my private insurance since the beginning of the year!
I'm hesitating between zollikerberg , the University hospital and Sanitas in kichlberg.I only heard bad experiences from those 3 so any good one is welcomed!
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Hi there,

I have heard good experiences from the zollikerberg.

I have heard not so good experiences from the University Hospital, mostly with its always been full and service tends to degrade.

We had our second son in Uster Spital about two weeks ago ... I must say it was an excellent experience.

First one was in MŁnsterlingen/Thurgau in case you are wondering ... also excellent.

Congrats!
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Well in february born my daugther in Zimmerberg in Horgen , was really good, before to give birth i visit sanitas , and the people was really cold.
Zimmerberg, have really friendly doctors and midwifes, i have my baby there without anestesia, only naturals things...(you can ask for anestesia)
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Re: Birth experience in Swiss hospitals/clinics -advice/tips/stories?

Thank you so much for the detail in your message. I gave birth to our first baby in England and vowed never again to give birth in a hospital short of an emergency - which birth is generally not. The needle in my hand ended up being one of the most painful parts and bruised and hurt for well over two weeks after the birth. So you are right to avoid it at all costs. I had a 36 hour labor which I think would have been closer to three if I had stayed home as the constant intrusion of new staff and having to change rooms was what made laboring impossible in the hospital, so I would definitely ensure that those things would not happen. I wish you all the best and be assured that your search is worthwhile as the birth will stay with you forever. Thank you for the help your message has provided - I am also due in late winter,early spring.
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Thank you so much for the detail in your message. I gave birth to our first baby in England and vowed never again to give birth in a hospital short of an emergency - which birth is generally not. The needle in my hand ended up being one of the most painful parts and bruised and hurt for well over two weeks after the birth. So you are right to avoid it at all costs. I had a 36 hour labor which I think would have been closer to three if I had stayed home as the constant intrusion of new staff and having to change rooms was what made laboring impossible in the hospital, so I would definitely ensure that those things would not happen. I wish you all the best and be assured that your search is worthwhile as the birth will stay with you forever. Thank you for the help your message has provided - I am also due in late winter,early spring.
A couple of points on this,

Firstly, what Ďneedle in the handí? Do you mean the insertion of the intravenous drip?

Secondly, ďI had a 36 hour labor which I think would have been closer to three if I had stayed home as the constant intrusion of new staff and having to change rooms was what made laboring impossible in the hospitalĒ Ė a bit tricky to read there but I take it you were in the hospital for 36 hours and went home to give birth? I have to tell you, staff in hospital wards change over, itís a fact of life, the only person there for the long run is you. Avoiding new staff by going home isnít really the solution.
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...a bit tricky to read there but I take it you were in the hospital for 36 hours and went home to give birth? I have to tell you, staff in hospital wards change over, itís a fact of life, the only person there for the long run is you. Avoiding new staff by going home isnít really the solution.
You completely misunderstood. What she meant is that her lebour was too long because of the intrusive nature of hospital birth. If she had stayed at home, it would have been a quick and easy labour.
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You completely misunderstood. What she meant is that her lebour was too long because of the intrusive nature of hospital birth. If she had stayed at home, it would have been a quick and easy labour.
Yeah, that was the alternate version of what she might have been saying. I was just suprised that the baby, who comes when it comes, was actually embarrassed by the constant intrusion of replacement nurses as they came on shift..

Of course, if a babies arrival is influenced +/- a few minutes by the mother then that is a medical anomally, it really is down to the last few pushes or was our Dr fibbing when they answered my question with that answer?
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Yeah, that was the alternate version of what she might have been saying. I was just suprised that the baby, who comes when it comes, was actually embarrassed by the constant intrusion of replacement nurses as they came on shift..
Sorry, but you obviously have a very vague idea of what childbirth is, which may not be so unusual considering that you are Mr Happy, so I presume (perhaps erroneously) that you are male.

So I will draw a parallel that anyone can relate with (apologise in advance for the scatological reference):

If you were asked to have a bowel movement while lying on the back, surrounded by machines that go 'ping' and several people who come and go and want to examine you to see how much progress you have made, I think that the process would also take a bit longer than if you were to do it the usual way -- alone, in the privacy of your home.
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Old 21.07.2008, 12:03
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Sorry, but you obviously have a very vague idea of what childbirth is, which may not be so unusual considering that you are Mr Happy, so I presume (perhaps erroneously) that you are male.

So I will draw a parallel that anyone can relate with (apologise in advance for the scatological reference):

If you were asked to have a bowel movement while lying on the back, surrounded by machines that go 'ping' and several people who come and go and want to examine you to see how much progress you have made, I think that the process would also take a bit longer than if you were to do it the usual way -- alone, in the privacy of your home.
For me it was good to have the reassurance of a team of medical staff in the background for the birth because I was useless on my own and things weren't going well. If they hadn't been there things would probably have ended tragically. Having said that, they did let me "get on with it" on my own to a point and weren't constantly down "at the business end".

Mr Happy, if you want to know how birth feels, I refer you to a joke I heard...

Woman: "Doctor, can you tell me how much pain I will feel during the birth?"
Doctor: "Certainly, madam. Pull out your top lip... a little more... yes, that's right. OK, now pull it over your head..."
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Re: Birth experience in Swiss hospitals/clinics -advice/tips/stories?

Is there a directory of birthing cliniques in/around Geneve ?
"Yellow Pages" sort of thing on line ?
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Sorry, but you obviously have a very vague idea of what childbirth is
You know, just because men donít give birth doesnít mean we donít have experience of birth.. In my particular case I have probably had a better view of the crowning and birth of more babies than you. That I wasnít feeling any pain doesnít mean I wasnít there. You for example donít need to be a soldier in Iraq on a 15month tour to know that you donít want to be a soldier in Iraq Ė and Iím not going to tell you that you donít know what you are talking about because youíve never servedÖ So do me a favour and donít tell me I donít know about childbirth because Iíve not been the one giving birth.

Having got that off my chest. ISTR that Childbirth is an involuntary action, e.g., you cannot keep the little guy inside you for 12 months so clearly itís an involuntary action, sure you can influence its pace but IIRC the 6 stages of childbirth (Wiki:
Engagement of the fetal head in the transverse position. The baby is looking across the pelvis at one or other of the mother's hips.
Descent and flexion of the fetal head
Internal rotation. The fetal head rotates 90 degrees to the occipito-anterior so that the baby's face is towards the mother's rectum.
Delivery by extension. The fetal head passes out of the birth canal. Its head is tilted backwards so that its forehead leads the way through the vagina.
Restitution. The fetal head turns through 45 degrees to restore its normal relationship with the shoulders, which are still at an angle.
External rotation. The shoulders repeat the corkscrew movements of the head, which can be seen in the final movements of the fetal head.)

Of those, every single one is with or without the mothers help. The body will push the baby out automatically assuming a level of consciousness. The mother can speed it up or slow it down but, in the posters case aboveÖ not by 36 hours.

So again, how is the comings and goings in the birthing room going to influence the baby. It comes when ready, it doesnít give a flying XXXX if the mother is embarrassed. What I was trying to point out to the poster was that the her issues with the comings and goings were Her issues, not the birthís. Her deciding, or appearing to decide, on a preference for home birth is (and I am currently in a country where 86% of births are home births) on the back of this is nuts, or at least, if not nuts, perhaps not made for the right reason...

What do you think to that?
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Is there a directory of birthing cliniques in/around Geneve ?
"Yellow Pages" sort of thing on line ?
If you contact your insurance company, they should have a list of 'approved for your policy' clinics. In addition, it is likely that your Obs will only work with certain clinics so you need to marry to two up. get the list, have a chat with the Obs, go visit the clinics that overlap. Check how busy the clinic is expecting to be for your expected birth date and make sure you can get there in reasonable time. For our latest birth we had to rule out several hospitals because between our house and the hospital was the Zurich stadium and potentially 50,000 football fans during the Euro-Cup thing. So, remember to think ahead.
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You know, just because men donít give birth doesnít mean we donít have experience of birth.. In my particular case I have probably had a better view of the crowning and birth of more babies than you. That I wasnít feeling any pain doesnít mean I wasnít there. You for example donít need to be a soldier in Iraq on a 15month tour to know that you donít want to be a soldier in Iraq Ė and Iím not going to tell you that you donít know what you are talking about because youíve never servedÖ So do me a favour and donít tell me I donít know about childbirth because Iíve not been the one giving birth...

What do you think to that?

First of all, there is not need to shout. I apologise if I offended you in any way.

Having said that, what on earth does Iraq have to do with this? But since you brought it up, then I can tell you that I know very well what a war is and I, just like Iraqi civilians, had no choice but to live through it. So I know what you are talking about and please leave the military stuff out of this thread.

Which brings me to your question. With all due respect to your knowledge of how foetuses rotate, I still think that you have a vague idea of what childbirth is.

But you obviously accompanied your wife and gave her support when she needed it -- which is more than many men do. And this is something that I would never try to dispute.
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Is there a directory of birthing cliniques in/around Geneve ?
"Yellow Pages" sort of thing on line ?
http://www.matweb.org/
http://www.beaulieu.ch/en/medical-se...bstetrics.html
http://www.la-tour.ch/hopital-de-la-tour/presentation/
http://www.grangettes.ch/clinique/

http://www.ghol.ch/

Maison de Naissance La Grange Rouge
Rue de Village 5
1274 Grens
Tel 022 362 0372 or 076 382 0372

http://www.aquila-naissance.ch/Aquila.html

http://www.arcade-sages-femmes.ch/

Hi, above are practically all places in and around Geneva where you can give birth.

The first link is to the cantonal hospital, the next three are private cliniques. Hospital in Nyon also has a midwife and offers antenatal classes. Difference between state and private hospitals is that your gynecologist can be present at birth in private cliniques with which he/she has a contract (usually one or two of the three above), while state hospital has its own staff. All high-risk pregnancies are automatically referred to the state hospital and if a baby or mother needs special attention postpartum, they are usually transferred there.

For those more inclined to have natural birth, there are two birth centres, both in Canton de Vaud, where you can give birth accompanied by a midwife only. The one in Aigle is attached to a hospital and is one of the few places where you can have a VBAC.

There is no birth centre in Geneva, but last link is to the association of midwives where you can get advice and antenatal classes (also in English) or find an independent midwife if you want to organise a home birth.
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Having got that off my chest. ISTR that Childbirth is an involuntary action, e.g., you cannot keep the little guy inside you for 12 months so clearly itís an involuntary action, sure you can influence its pace but IIRC the 6 stages of childbirth (Wiki:
Engagement of the fetal head in the transverse position. The baby is looking across the pelvis at one or other of the mother's hips.
Descent and flexion of the fetal head
Internal rotation. The fetal head rotates 90 degrees to the occipito-anterior so that the baby's face is towards the mother's rectum.
Delivery by extension. The fetal head passes out of the birth canal. Its head is tilted backwards so that its forehead leads the way through the vagina.
Restitution. The fetal head turns through 45 degrees to restore its normal relationship with the shoulders, which are still at an angle.
External rotation. The shoulders repeat the corkscrew movements of the head, which can be seen in the final movements of the fetal head.)

Of those, every single one is with or without the mothers help. The body will push the baby out automatically assuming a level of consciousness. The mother can speed it up or slow it down but, in the posters case aboveÖ not by 36 hours.
Wow, I wish you were at my son's birth to firstly convince him that it was time to come out, and to tell him that he should have been lying spine outwards so he could easily rotate. All this in under 3 hours from first contraction was a tad fast for all of us. How does the mother slow it down exactly? Sitting with my legs crossed wasn't helping
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Wow, I wish you were at my son's birth to firstly convince him that it was time to come out, and to tell him that he should have been lying spine outwards so he could easily rotate. All this in under 3 hours from first contraction was a tad fast for all of us. How does the mother slow it down exactly? Sitting with my legs crossed wasn't helping
Exactly my point aimed at poster on post number 124 ("I had a 36 hour labor which I think would have been closer to three if I had stayed home as the constant intrusion of new staff and having to change rooms was what made laboring impossible in the hospital,").
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I am convinced, just like poster 124, that my labour was stalled for so long because of the intrusive nature of electronic foetal monitoring. I am also convinced that, had I not found a way to relax, focus on my cervix and 'unblock' the labour, they would have performed a Caesarian and then explain that I was not able to give birth vaginally because of the shape of my pelvis or the size or position of the baby or something else.
Why would they need to explain that you couldn't give birth vaginally "because of the shape of my pelvis or the size or position of the baby or something else" ? If your baby is shown to be in distress from the heart monitoring, confirmed by breaking the waters and checking meconium is present THEN most hospital policies say the baby needs to be born ASAP.
Better a c-section than a fatality.

I had the midwives not wanting to press the buzzer - and we had no heart beat for a few seconds with each contraction. Was it the monitoring not detecting the heart beat? After he was born he was clearly in distress. Not breathing and it took about 20 minutes for him to pink up. I wouldn't take the chance next time.
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Why would they need to explain that you couldn't give birth vaginally "because of the shape of my pelvis or the size or position of the baby or something else" ? If your baby is shown to be in distress from the heart monitoring, confirmed by breaking the waters and checking meconium is present THEN most hospital policies say the baby needs to be born ASAP.
Better a c-section than a fatality.
Yes, but my baby was fine, not in distress, actually had perfect Apgar score immediately after birth.

I knew it all along and was telling them to forget the monitors, that I knew that my baby was healthy.

I agree that a Caesarian is better than a fatality, this is why I negotiated with my doctor to use it as a last resort. Which clearly was not needed in my case.

Oh, I should not have told my story, since I will now spend post after post trying to explain myself and being misunderstood.

So I am deleting it...
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Yes, but my baby was fine, not in distress, actually had perfect Apgar score immediately after birth.

I knew it all along and was telling them to forget the monitors, that I knew that my baby was healthy.

I agree that a Caesarian is better than a fatality, this is why I negotiated with my doctor to use it as a last resort. Which clearly was not needed in my case.

Oh, I should not have told my story, since I will now spend post after post trying to explain myself and being misunderstood.

So I am deleting it...
Thank you for posting it anyway. It was a very positive experience and you should leave it there.
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from my own experience ! there is no way you can keep a baby in there if it wants to come out ! my Little baby boy born on the dez.03.2007.he was born within 45min from feeling the first contraction when i woke up in the morning and the water had broken.no time for anything and them racing me down the aisle in the hospital in a wheel-chair to the labour room the neon lights going woosh woosh woosh overhead did not keep me from feeling violently sick,so they did not even have time to insert and administer anything whatsoever.let alone a needle.and though i do not envy anyone who was in labour for 36 hours,i still wish i had had the time to experience giving birth.
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