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In it is a good reminder to get out those lights, and check sleeping habits - for those who experience that sluggish horrible winter feeling called S.A.D.

...late autumn for me is the Bear time, I get sleepier and hungrier - I feel like a bear ready to go into hibernation. At work, it seems about 1/4 to 1/3 of people seem to report some additional sluggishness around this time of year (based on chats around the coffee machine which gets increasingly more visits), but mostly sub-clinical I suspect

Fortunately I have picked up a few good swiss habits, like going up into the mountains and sunshine to get above the perpetual Zurich fog. as well as the fun of skiing, its a great reminder how glorious life is in this mountain state!

In the meantime, I am not minding the unusually sunny Autumn we're having. yes another glorious day out there!
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The OH was recently prescribed these, but they've knocked him for a loop with so many side effects he stopped taking them after 3 days. He's still feeling the effects days later. Has anyone else tried these and what success or otherwise have you had with them.
Understand that all medication of that nature will generally speaking always do more harm than good. The sooner your 'OH' stops taking them the better. There are typically no benefits, just a host of long lasting, health-damaging side-effects, including becoming dependant on the medication itself. 80% of all of such medication prescribed worldwide is unnecessary. Yet no healthcare company or professional will tell the patient that!

'Knocked him for a loop' doesn't sound good at all, yet neither does the fact that your 'OH' was prescribed them in the first place. It is really worrying how these days this type of medication is prescribed willy-nilly.

For the very few people who do draw any benefit from taking this type of medication, they no longer have any real effect after about a year in any case, yet the side-effects continue.

I've seen the effects of this type of medication on several individuals and they have always got worse on them (short-term) and much better when they realise this and admit that they simply have to come off them (short to mid-term).
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Tell that to a person with Bipolar Plumtree, not many enjoy a psychosis!
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Tell that to a person with Bipolar Plumtree, not many enjoy a psychosis!
Yeah, I know a guy who when Manic thought he was superman and ran out onto a highway to stop a massive semi-trailer truck.... the truck managed to stop in time... only just... he got a second-chance...and he will definitely stick to taking the medication...
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Understand that all medication of that nature will generally speaking always do more harm than good. The sooner your 'OH' stops taking them the better. There are typically no benefits, just a host of long lasting, health-damaging side-effects, including becoming dependant on the medication itself. 80% of all of such medication prescribed worldwide is unnecessary. Yet no healthcare company or professional will tell the patient that!

'Knocked him for a loop' doesn't sound good at all, yet neither does the fact that your 'OH' was prescribed them in the first place. It is really worrying how these days this type of medication is prescribed willy-nilly.

For the very few people who do draw any benefit from taking this type of medication, they no longer have any real effect after about a year in any case, yet the side-effects continue.

I've seen the effects of this type of medication on several individuals and they have always got worse on them (short-term) and much better when they realise this and admit that they simply have to come off them (short to mid-term).
Sigh. The usual uninformed sensationalist post.

Citalopram worked for me but it took a couple of weeks for sleep patterns to get back to normal, until then I was very restless and jittery when lying down or even sitting still too long.

I can't remember the dose, but it was pretty low, and only for about six months.

Coming off wasn't an issue, it helped hugely that I knew what the effects were going to be (mainly fairly strong downness and apathy) and that it had a real physical cause. I deliberately increased my physical exercise, avoided alcohol and planned excessively positive things for a few weeks.
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Understand that all medication of that nature will generally speaking always do more harm than good. The sooner your 'OH' stops taking them the better. There are typically no benefits, just a host of long lasting, health-damaging side-effects, including becoming dependant on the medication itself. 80% of all of such medication prescribed worldwide is unnecessary. Yet no healthcare company or professional will tell the patient that!

'Knocked him for a loop' doesn't sound good at all, yet neither does the fact that your 'OH' was prescribed them in the first place. It is really worrying how these days this type of medication is prescribed willy-nilly.

For the very few people who do draw any benefit from taking this type of medication, they no longer have any real effect after about a year in any case, yet the side-effects continue.

I've seen the effects of this type of medication on several individuals and they have always got worse on them (short-term) and much better when they realise this and admit that they simply have to come off them (short to mid-term).
This sort of uniformed advice can be really dangerous. Better to say nothing and leave the medicine to the doctors who know what they're talking about.
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Re: Citalopram - anyone used it/suffered from side effects?

The advice of plumtree may be far from uninformed. Long term use of anti-depressants frequently have serious harmful side effects. I can categorically say that I have seen this first hand, with Citalopram itself involved. You may not know it but that particular drug of choice can cause the exact symptoms of Parkinsons disease, for example (I am not saying it causes the actual disease by the way).

Your choice of words is ironic, because the words "all medication ... of that nature... is in actual fact in some ways akin to poison" is something I heard a well respected neurologist tell me first hand. This does not mean he did not advocate their use for some of his patients, I should add.

Nevertheless, people should make their own free choice, but I personally ... would aim to avoid all such medications at all costs.
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The advice of plumtree may be far from uninformed. Long term use of anti-depressants frequently have serious harmful side effects. I can categorically say that I have seen this first hand, with Citalopram itself involved. You may not know it but that particular drug of choice can cause the exact symptoms of Parkinsons disease, for example (I am not saying it causes the actual disease by the way).

Your choice of words is ironic, because the words "all medication ... of that nature... is in actual fact in some ways akin to poison" is something I heard a well respected neurologist tell me first hand. This does not mean he did not advocate their use for some of his patients, I should add.

Nevertheless, people should make their own free choice, but I personally ... would aim to avoid all such medications at all costs.
Apart from the first paragraph you are correct.

Almost any medication has side effects that need to be weighed against the advantages, and this is particularly so with SSRIs which are very broad acting.

I think on the Parkinsons thing you are only partially correct, they actually mimic the restlessness casued by levodopa, the main Parkinsons treatment. That restless movement is what a lot of people (incorrectly) associate with Parkinsons.

All of this is clearly listed as potential side effects, and are definitely things to be minimised in both time used and dosage.
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Re: Citalopram - anyone used it/suffered from side effects?

I am confident that my first paragraph and post as a whole is quite perfectly correct, having been very intimately involved in this.

You may not listen, or may post some informed riposte, but in any case let me tell you, first hand experience teaches you a lot more than a list of side effects printed on a piece of paper in a packet or other second hand knowledge. Just to say, I'm not trying to argue with you. It's clear that you have some knowledge in this field (and a little knowledge may be a dangerous thing!). Nonetheless, I hope that no one here needs to go through something like I have to truly learn what I mean.
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These are highly personal choices and I don' t find one can confidently make an argument for or against them that applies equally to all people. The patient, with the support of a doctor has to make an educated decision on the brand, doses and length of treatment.

Naturally, if you suffer from chronic mental issues such as bipolar, which was named already, you do not have much of choice but to stay on medication. Someone mentioned that bipolar people do not enjoy the highs.. well it seems the opposite is regularly true. Most who suffer from bipolar disorder (I'm talking mostly Bipolar I) actually miss the mania periods, although they know very well that the risks and dangers they put themselves through during these times.

Plumtree does make some important points. If you know anything about the history of psychiatry, or pharma companies' misleading claims and publication bias', it is clear one has to take the statements on the packages with a grain of salt. There are plenty of studies on the effectiveness of ADs with varying results (depending on who sponsored the test ). It is true for most long-term AD users that after a while they 'poop out', meaning the patient has to up the dose or switch to other drugs. This is another reason why a close relationship with the doctor is so crucial in maintaining the wellbeing of the patient.

Drug trials typically last 4-6 weeks, which in my view is not nearly enough to assess possible long-term effects. I have friends who have been on ADs for most of their lives. Their depression still comes and goes in cycles, like it did before they were taking ADs, with the difference that they can now not go off meds, for fear of worsening of symptoms, as well as major withdrawal symptoms. Some have troubling neuro-cognitive issues, while others claim they have antidepressant-induced chronic depression. Of course it is probably impossible to prove if the ADs have induced these problems, but nevertheless it is worrisome.

AD risks are numerous but they vary from person to person. Common and likely harmless ones like dry mouth or dizziness might not affect one's life too much, but there are some meds one has to be careful with. For instance antipsychotic drugs have been linked to diabetes. Other meds were linked to heart rhythm or liver problems. That is why it makes sense to do frequent tests to cut your risks of these potential issues.

Bottom line, I would say the two most important things are having a great partner/family for support and having a good doctor. I would try out several, before settling on one. There has to be a trust based relationship. Make sure it's not someone pushing the same drug to all patients, because he is sponsored by drug companies.
If you are looking for more personal experiences with meds, you could try www.drugs.com or the forum psychcentral.

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Understand that all medication of that nature will generally speaking always do more harm than good. The sooner your 'OH' stops taking them the better. There are typically no benefits, just a host of long lasting, health-damaging side-effects, including becoming dependant on the medication itself. 80% of all of such medication prescribed worldwide is unnecessary. Yet no healthcare company or professional will tell the patient that!

'Knocked him for a loop' doesn't sound good at all, yet neither does the fact that your 'OH' was prescribed them in the first place. It is really worrying how these days this type of medication is prescribed willy-nilly.

For the very few people who do draw any benefit from taking this type of medication, they no longer have any real effect after about a year in any case, yet the side-effects continue.

I've seen the effects of this type of medication on several individuals and they have always got worse on them (short-term) and much better when they realise this and admit that they simply have to come off them (short to mid-term).

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with you and would challenge your first paragraph: "Generally speaking always do more harm than good"; "no benefits"; "health damaging;" "80%... unnecessary"... This is your opinion, to which you are surely entitled, but please don't present your opinion as fact.


Sometimes we need a little assistance. Sometimes the chemical imbalances within our systems can't right themselves. A good medical practitioner does not prescribe "willy-nilly"; a great deal of people are helped by them and they have a much longer, more lasting effect than you seem to suggest.


I would suggest that the "short-term" worsening that you may have observed is the individual becoming accustomed to their meds (be they SSRIs or whatever) accompanied by their own personal symptoms/situation that prompted the visit to the GP and the prescription in the first place. The improvement (in a lot of cases, not all) will likely be the medications taking effect, and the growing realisation in that individual that they can feel better after all: the (sometimes unbearably awful) pressure has been relieved and they can find their way back to themselves.


In my experience, recognising that help is needed is an important first step. Working with your trusted medical professional to find the right solution (chemical or otherwise) is what comes after. Then, when appropriate, a careful weaning off the meds (if they have been prescribed) should leave very-few-to-no lasting ill-effects.


That's my two penn'orth, anyway.

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For the moment the drug is on hold. He's trying some nox vomica and also a herbal anti-stress tablet we found at a pharmacy in France the other day. He's sleeping better now, backache is gone and he isn't having the mood swings he was also suffering from. Most importantly no side effects. It's early days yet and hopefully he'll be able to stop taking these on a regular basis as well, but if necessary he'll give the Citalopram another go.
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I also have first hand experience with several anti depressants over a period of 30 years. In the 80's and again the 90's i had brief periods where i tried meds and they helped, but didn't stick. I also had insufficient therapy. For the last 12 years, I've taken an SSRI. I had side effects at the beginning as I increased my dosage. It took a few months and required work, but in the end, it really helped. I also had five years of therapy on and off. Before i started these meds, i had trouble driving and flying. I would have frequent panic attacks in the car, and I never wanted to travel. Now, i have few problems.

I went through the diagnosis, treatment for breast cancer reasonably well, i made it through menopause without many hot flashes, and I've dealt with the death of family members and an international move.

I have decreased my doseage, but I still take them. My blood work suggests no bad effects. I may stay on them forever. Just as important as my other meds.

So yes, I've had personal experience, but it's anecdotal. So what works foe me might not work for you. Still, i would never tell you that generally speaking it's bad.
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As much as I hated (and still hate) the idea of taking antidepressants, after and incident last year I am taking 30 mg right now as 20 mg were not enough to have effect (doctor said the concentration of the med in the blood is too low). No apparent side effects. Yet EKG should be done every 6 months. All antidepressants have side effects but those can vary from individual to individual.

Relaxane is a very good herbal option.

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Thanks Aleydis, I'll have a look at Relaxane. Interesting though, it's no longer available in the US with no explanation as to why it was withdrawn.
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Apart from the first paragraph you are correct.

Almost any medication has side effects that need to be weighed against the advantages, and this is particularly so with SSRIs which are very broad acting.

I think on the Parkinsons thing you are only partially correct, they actually mimic the restlessness casued by levodopa, the main Parkinsons treatment. That restless movement is what a lot of people (incorrectly) associate with Parkinsons.

All of this is clearly listed as potential side effects, and are definitely things to be minimised in both time used and dosage.
Interesting, thanks. For me highlights the need to have a psychiatrist involved every step of the way (at least until things have stabilised). At that time I was under treatment for quite a bit, my psychiatrist disagreed with me being prescribed by my Hausartz with levodopa at the same time as an SSRi. Working together, a good combination of non.SSri and levadopa (as you say for parkinsons) could promptly be found.

Glad to say don't need don't need any anymore, and have only respect for finding the right combination of medical expertise at that time.
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Thanks Aleydis, I'll have a look at Relaxane. Interesting though, it's no longer available in the US with no explanation as to why it was withdrawn.
Welcome. I saw that piece of info as well and would also be very curious to find out the reason behind the withdrawal from the US market. Will ask during my appointment today.
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Re: Citalopram - anyone used it/suffered from side effects?

Citalopram: After seeing a therapist many times, I found myself battling with too many dark thoughts and I finally agreed to take an anti-depressant.

My personal experience of citalopram is that it made me feel fuzzy at the beginning but soon the initial side effects wore off and it did what it was supposed to do: take the pressure off. My thoughts were more under control due to a slightly "numbing" of the mind but that's what I needed. Dark thoughts can be more detrimental to one's health than the medication one takes. I needed time to distance myself from the dark thoughts. I eventually took only half of the pill and now I'm off the stuff. I am grateful for the anti-depressant because it allowed me to have a more quality life than if I weren't on it. I also went to therapy at the same time.

Oh yeah, someone mentioned brain zaps when going off citalopram. It's true but it only lasted for a week or so. There was no addiction just more of a slight fear of what will happen to my thoughts when they are no longer numbed. Luckily, in my case, they've been much more under control now.
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Re: Citalopram - anyone used it/suffered from side effects?

I finally remembered the name of the website with lots of information about medication... if not for you then maybe it will be useful for people who come late to this thread ...see http://www.drugs.com/citalopram.html
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Yeah, I know a guy who when Manic thought he was superman and ran out onto a highway to stop a massive semi-trailer truck.... the truck managed to stop in time... only just... he got a second-chance...and he will definitely stick to taking the medication...
Chances of being confronted by a truck made of kryptonite must have been minuscule.
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