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anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

Hello everybody,


i was wondering if anyone could share their expériences of having done a surgery in the Swiss public hospital, and in particular CHUV in Lausanne would be intresting.


My doctor has discovered that i have an endometreotic cyst that needs to be removed but unfortunately i can't go into private clinics as i was refused into private care couple of year ago.


So that leaves me with a public hospital in Switzerland and i'm not feeling very comfortable about this idea cause apparently you dont get operated by a doctor but a doctor-in-education. But knowing that this surgery is all about precision, i'm just not convinced with public hospital.


so was wondering if you could share any expériences in case you faced any operations in swiss public hospitals?


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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

Surgery yes, similar operation and also on basic insurance. Very happy with the stay in the hospital, operation, doctors and nurses here
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Old 20.05.2016, 22:00
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

Check around, you may find a specialist private clinic that will take you at standard rates. Better a patient at standard rates than an empty bed!
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

And you can buy an upgrade package at the hospital?
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And you can buy an upgrade package at the hospital?

whats the upgrade package? wasn't even aware smth like this exists?
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Surgery yes, similar operation and also on basic insurance. Very happy with the stay in the hospital, operation, doctors and nurses here

may i ask you which hospital did you choose and how long did you need to stay there after the surgery ?thanks
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Old 20.05.2016, 22:06
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

Just check with the hospital what they offer? Better room, no student doctor and things like that.

But then, keep in mind that even if a less experienced doctor would operate, he/she would always be doing that under supervision from an experienced doctor!

Bülach, so not in your area and 5 days in total
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

The "Assistenzarzt" (what you call student-doctor) will be monitored by a supervisor and will call an experienced doctor ("oberarzt") if anything deviates from being ideal. So, I would not worry too much. From a personal example, in my recent birth in Luzern, I started with a midwife only, who then called a student-doctor, who then called the big-doctor.
On the other hand, I have seen upgrade options exist (both in Luzernn and in Zurich). Payable directly to the hospital.
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

My husband had surgery on his knee on general insurance and was operated on by the head surgeon. Just ask the surgeon when you go see him who will do the surgery, especially if you are nervous. That you are operated on by an inexperienced doctor is not a given on general insurance.
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

I underwent a re-section in my bowel about a year ago at the Claraspital in Basel. This was public also, no private room.

I don't think you should be concerned about your being conducted by a trainee. It's going to be like any procedure in the western world I would imagine. There will be levels of trainees present on occasion, being involved as their experience or competence allows. They will of course err on the side of caution (there are lawyers here too :-)).

I have to say, I was hugely impressed. Friendly attentive staff, from nurses to surgeons / doctors who explained everything to me. In English.

I was there for two weeks, and though I don't want to go through that again (obviously) it was as pleasant an experience as that's possible to be in such a situation.

I think the healthcare over here is wonderful, I don't know about Luasanne, but I would assume it's the same there.

Best of luck - you will be FINE.
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Oh yeah - and with public, you will probably share a room. I did, with one other for about 75% of the time I was there.

I think that's the main difference between private and public.
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Oh yeah - and with public, you will probably share a room. I did, with one other for about 75% of the time I was there.

I think that's the main difference between private and public.
Unless you go fully private and not just semi private ( which is the most common option chosen) for supplementary cover there is a likelihood that you'll have to share a room anyway.
I think they generally keep one to a room if they're quiet and then fill up the other bed(s) as they get more patients.
Some public rooms have more than two beds in whereas in semi private it will be a maximum of two.
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

Geeze, what country do you come from? How do you expect student doctors to learn if they don't operate under supervision? There's only so much they can do at university to learn these things, but practical hands-on experience has to be gained somewhere.

You'll be fine. We've had several stays in the cantonal hospital here in Fribourg and the care has been excellent. Whenever we've seen a student doctor they have always consulted with the head of the department before taking action. Public does not equal bad, in the same way that private does not equal best.
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

Please understand that 'médecin assistant' doesn't mean a student. It means a fully trained doctor in his first or second post. Even then, he or she wouldn't do the operation, though they may assist the surgeon.

The CHUV is a university hospital and a centre of excellence.
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Re: anybody experience with surgery in Switzerland / CHUV Lausanne hospital?

If you're familiar with the US system an assistant is a resident. So a doctor.

Always supervised by a more senior physician.

CHUV is an academic medical center - you can't get away from the learning aspect. On the positive side, these places are where you want to be with complications. To emphasize Medea Fleecestealer's point - sometimes private clinics do not have all the stuff required to deal with complications.

Good luck with your surgery. You should discuss your concerns with your physician as well.
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My husband had surgery on his knee on general insurance and was operated on by the head surgeon. Just ask the surgeon when you go see him who will do the surgery, especially if you are nervous. That you are operated on by an inexperienced doctor is not a given on general insurance.

the operation is prescribed by the doctor who is normally following me.however, as she is only operating in the clinics, she will hand me over to chuv hospital. so i'm wondering in that case if i will know the name of the doctor in advance? is there such a thing, do i have a right to ask for it?

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Oh yeah - and with public, you will probably share a room. I did, with one other for about 75% of the time I was there.

I think that's the main difference between private and public.
i don't mind sharing a room, it's mostly the student -doctor that gets me nervous.


btw, is it commo to share a mixed room, both man and woman together, ot can you actually ask for women only? anybody knows?thanks!
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I've not come across mixed wards here, but you can check with the hospital I expect.
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If you're familiar with the US system an assistant is a resident. So a doctor.

Always supervised by a more senior physician.

CHUV is an academic medical center - you can't get away from the learning aspect. On the positive side, these places are where you want to be with complications. To emphasize Medea Fleecestealer's point - sometimes private clinics do not have all the stuff required to deal with complications.

Good luck with your surgery. You should discuss your concerns with your physician as well.

thanks for your post! indeed it's supposed to be a centre of excellence ( i keep telling this to myself too), but had already once a bad experience with chuv where the doctor-in-education could not recognize a simple angine and was asking me what kind of médications i want her to prescribe.. Coming from a family of doctors, i had to literally tell her the name of antibiotics and painrelievers and point her to the test she should be doing to understand if i had an agine. this was very disappointing...now, when it comes to the surgery where small inaccuracy can lead to damagaing the fertility organs.. doctor in education sounds frightening to me.
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Geeze, what country do you come from? How do you expect student doctors to learn if they don't operate under supervision? There's only so much they can do at university to learn these things, but practical hands-on experience has to be gained somewhere.

You'll be fine. We've had several stays in the cantonal hospital here in Fribourg and the care has been excellent. Whenever we've seen a student doctor they have always consulted with the head of the department before taking action. Public does not equal bad, in the same way that private does not equal best.


perhaps i've been lucky, but i was always treated by a specialist i don't have anything against doctors in education and of course, the practical experience has to be gained somewhere. But surgery is never a simple treatment and always has a risk, even with experienced specialists. So if i can minimize the risk for myself even a little but, i'd go for that and rather be treated by a full specialist

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