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There's very scant reliable information on its anti-cancer properties. Plenty of "studies" from cannabis oil manufacturers, but not so many large independent placebo-controlled studies. Even some of the pain relief and tremor-reducing information is sketchy. I'm not dismissing it entirely, but it needs much more better quality data for me to be convinced that it is anything more than a relaxant.
My wife finds that the cannabis 'light' helps her to sleep better (she can't deal with real dope at all).

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There's very scant reliable information on its anti-cancer properties. Plenty of "studies" from cannabis oil manufacturers, but not so many large independent placebo-controlled studies. Even some of the pain relief and tremor-reducing information is sketchy. I'm not dismissing it entirely, but it needs much more better quality data for me to be convinced that it is anything more than a relaxant.
No, wrong. For some ailments it does relieve pain as it acts like a muscle relaxant e.g. tolperisone. alcohol has the same effect, it is a muscle relaxant so works for the example quoted above i.e. a herniated disc.
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There's very scant reliable information on its anti-cancer properties. Plenty of "studies" from cannabis oil manufacturers, but not so many large independent placebo-controlled studies. Even some of the pain relief and tremor-reducing information is sketchy. I'm not dismissing it entirely, but it needs much more better quality data for me to be convinced that it is anything more than a relaxant.
(sorry for my english, Im still a student)


just wanted to share some links with you
  1. https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...know-the-facts
  2. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2018011513085
  3. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ical-marijuana
  4. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...nd-cancer.html
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Due to a epileptic seizure she suffered in Summer, she currently doesn't drive either.

Dad has to chauffeur her, which drives her nuts ;-)

She's waiting for Spring, with better weather, so she can at least use the eBike.
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Old 01.03.2018, 14:21
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Hmm, most of those are opinion pieces with no references, or behind a pay-wall. Anything from clinicaltrials.org. Like I said, I'm not dismissing it, I just need better evidence.
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To be sure you can smoke and drive you can smoke one-two joint of weed at 0.3-0.4% THC.

Nope you can't, i repeat if you smoke that daily or only 2 or 3 times a week & you run into a police control YOU WILL TEST POSITIVE for long tern use ..


Guys trust me on this I'm still having to go and give a monthly urine test & have had to spend over 30 grand on medical tests in the last few years.


It's not like alcohol where your body will reduce the trace elements it's the reverse, the CBD will build up.


If you are 100% clean and you smoke one CBD joint it will take 3 to 4 days for your level to drop.


I'm not wishing to scare anyone here i am talking from experience that resulted in me losing my job and cost me a lot of money.

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Nope you can't, i repeat if you smoke that daily or only 2 or 3 times a week & you run into a police control YOU WILL TEST POSITIVE for long tern use ..


Guys trust me on this I'm still having to go and give a monthly urine test & have had to spend over 30 grand on medical tests in the last few years.


It's not like alcohol where your body will reduce the trace elements it's the reverse, the CBD will build up.


If you are 100% clean and you smoke one CBD joint it will take 3 to 4 days for your level to drop.


I'm not wishing to scare anyone here i am talking from experience that resulted in me losing my job and cost me a lot of money.
Sorry about your troubles Audiodruid.

I guess if you use only CBD oil that would be excluded from any test results as the refined oil has no THC at all and is not considered to have the same effects as THC. Or am I wrong? Not that I am taking CBD oil, but I sometimes get such chronic back pain that I have considered buying some.
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Sorry about your troubles Audiodruid.

I guess if you use only CBD oil that would be excluded from any test results as the refined oil has no THC at all and is not considered to have the same effects as THC. Or am I wrong? Not that I am taking CBD oil, but I sometimes get such chronic back pain that I have considered buying some.
I don't know about using oil to be honest.
The issue is that the CBD test is working on the fact that CBD is whats left over after THC - so they are working on the theory that a CBD level is proof of having used THC ..


However i would asume that a CBD oil would not show up.. it might be worth asking your doctor about this ...
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Sorry about your troubles Audiodruid.

I guess if you use only CBD oil that would be excluded from any test results as the refined oil has no THC at all and is not considered to have the same effects as THC. Or am I wrong? Not that I am taking CBD oil, but I sometimes get such chronic back pain that I have considered buying some.


I'd be interested to know if the CDB oil helped your back pain, in case you do take some.
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Old 01.03.2018, 16:11
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No, wrong. For some ailments it does relieve pain as it acts like a muscle relaxant e.g. tolperisone. alcohol has the same effect, it is a muscle relaxant so works for the example quoted above i.e. a herniated disc.
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I don't know about using oil to be honest.
The issue is that the CBD test is working on the fact that CBD is whats left over after THC - so they are working on the theory that a CBD level is proof of having used THC ..


However i would asume that a CBD oil would not show up.. it might be worth asking your doctor about this ...
Which means - as they legalized it partly - they will have to develop different tests for the police. I'm innocent until proven guilty. If I say I use the legal stuff (which, yes, is detectable in the blood later too) and show the bills for it, it's not ME who has to prove it.

You're right, this effect - of lingering on, unlike alcohol - has always been the problem with cannabis. Considering it was years ago you had these problems, that was really tough luck, as they didn't really regularly check for this back in them old days.
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Which is basically what PaddyG said
And I get a fly-by groan for asking for more evidence.
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I'm not wishing to scare anyone here i am talking from experience that resulted in me losing my job and cost me a lot of money.
That's awful! So sorry...

I was told that drug tests didn't exist in Switzerland, and it was actually illegal for the companies to request them. Was it because you have a job that requires full sobriety? (Such as a doctor, airline pilot etc.) We are just desk monkeys... It's ridiculous that CH should be behind the US in the legalization of cannabis.

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No, wrong.
How can he be wrong? He's just saying he's not convinced, and that there's insufficient scientific data to be sure.

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For some ailments it does relieve pain as it acts like a muscle relaxant e.g. tolperisone. alcohol has the same effect, it is a muscle relaxant so works for the example quoted above i.e. a herniated disc.
Did you actually read the text you quoted?
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And I get a fly-by groan for asking for more evidence.
Not only the groan was fly-by, the entire reply was, as Ace1 pointed out.

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I had health problems. Fortunately, I live in Switzerland and legal and CBD rich hemp has arrived on the market. I discovered the company Swiss Medical Cannabis that allowed me to treat me through the CBD. Since then, my pain has lessened. For all those suffering from chronic pain try CBD. It relax all my body and help me to work as normal people
So how are you using it? In what form, dosage and frequency? Did you keep a log of usage versus pain levels? Does the effect reduce over time? These are the sorts of questions that I'd like to see answered before accepting that there's a valid case for cannabis extracts as a pain relief medication.

One of the concerns I have about suppliers like the one you mention is that they don't supply their product as tablets, which for most people on medication is the normal and preferred route. The fact that their name has 'Medical' in it is entirely inconsistent with the products they're supplying, and unsurprisingly there's almost nothing about dosage or administration on their website, which is entirely consistent with the idea that their customers are using the stuff for recreational, not medical, purposes.

I'd be interested to try it myself if it were available in a more predictable and controlled form. I'm in more or less constant pain, which I can reduce with huge doses of NSAIDs or cease caring about with small doses of opiates (which I resort to only very rarely, like perhaps a couple of times a year) so should be a prime candidate, but I really really don't want any sort of rush or high, so am reluctant to try it in the form it's currently available.
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So how are you using it? In what form, dosage and frequency? Did you keep a log of usage versus pain levels? Does the effect reduce over time? These are the sorts of questions that I'd like to see answered before accepting that there's a valid case for cannabis extracts as a pain relief medication.

One of the concerns I have about suppliers like the one you mention is that they don't supply their product as tablets, which for most people on medication is the normal and preferred route. The fact that their name has 'Medical' in it is entirely inconsistent with the products they're supplying, and unsurprisingly there's almost nothing about dosage or administration on their website, which is entirely consistent with the idea that their customers are using the stuff for recreational, not medical, purposes.

I'd be interested to try it myself if it were available in a more predictable and controlled form. I'm in more or less constant pain, which I can reduce with huge doses of NSAIDs or cease caring about with small doses of opiates (which I resort to only very rarely, like perhaps a couple of times a year) so should be a prime candidate, but I really really don't want any sort of rush or high, so am reluctant to try it in the form it's currently available.
I believe there are actually a number of studies that do concur with his statement, that marijuana has many properties not only psychoactive but other cannabinoids that have actually been extracted or synthesised for medical purposes, pain reduction, anti-inflammatories, appetite stimulators, and the reduction of seizures etc. An interesting yet sad case in the UK at the moment.

The reason marijuana is not taken seriously by the Pharma industry maybe that these properties are perhaps less effective then Opioids in pain reduction or other areas, and there are better alternatives, that require less licensing to grow. Opiates for the medical industry are grown only in Tasmania, from what I can recall. Either that or its a hangup from the prohibition and Christian conservative held view that its an evil drug, or that its so associated with dimwitted stoners (not all of ya obviously). I do laugh when people say things like its a cure all, including cancers, and the pharma industry is scared as it would make other medicines redundant, which is patently conspiracy theorist BS.

But the medical evidence seems to swing towards Marijuana actually being a medically significant plant, and that its being seen that way by many in the medical and medical research profession.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-david-potter tbh in the end, weed smoking made me personally very paranoid and I saw it destroy a few of my peers lives by exacerbating mental health issues in them, thats why I gave up, cept the odd toke at a party or gig.

Ace1, you can by different strengths of CBD oils, drops or sprays that can be put directly on the tongue, they aren't cheap and Swiss produced CBD products have to follow the same stringent rules and testing as any other medical product would are tested to ensure the correct amount of CBD is present.

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I believe there are actually a number of studies that do concur with his statement, that marijuana has many properties not only psychoactive but other cannabinoids that have actually been extracted or synthesised for medical purposes, pain reduction, anti-inflammatories, appetite stimulators, and the reduction of seizures etc.
Yes, I've also heard that there have been many such studies, but there's a huge difference between them and the sort of research that's needed to bring a new drug to market. The studies 'suggest', 'show' or 'support' the idea, but they've not been carried out in proper double-blinded, placebo-controlled, monitored clinical trials, so haven't shown the levels of 'proof' required.

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The reason marijuana is not taken seriously by the Pharma industry maybe that these properties are perhaps less effective then Opioids in pain reduction or other areas, and there are better alternatives, that require less licensing to grow.
Quite likely. Although I'm sure it's taken very seriously indeed. If they thought it was a good candidate they'd be all over it, believe me. Bringing a new proven effective pain-relief medication of an entirely new type to market would be a very appealing idea to many up-and-coming drug companies.

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Ace1, you can by different strengths of CBD oils, drops or sprays that can be put directly on the tongue, they aren't cheap and Swiss produced CBD products have to follow the same stringent rules and testing as any other medical product would.
No they don't. Some rules and testing, certainly, but it's not licensed for medical use so is not subject to any of the regulations that would apply if it were.
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No they don't. Some rules and testing, certainly, but it's not licensed for medical use so is not subject to any of the regulations that would apply if it were.
I was informed and assured by the lady with the neck tattoos and facial piercings, that all their products were medical grade! and there was the international sign for medical on the packaging.

Lol you are quite right, I meant to say that they are properly tested in laboratories to ascertain that the correct dosage is on the tin, so to speak, or that the weed does not exceed >1% thc for legal reasons.
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How can he be wrong? He's just saying he's not convinced, and that there's insufficient scientific data to be sure.


Did you actually read the text you quoted?
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