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Old 02.03.2018, 12:24
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You think I'm a science journalist because you checked out my profile, not understanding what a "Scientific writer" actually is?

Even if I were, I'd still have 1000-fold more credibility than any homeopath.
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Old 02.03.2018, 15:32
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Quite likely. Although I'm sure it's taken very seriously indeed. If they thought it was a good candidate they'd be all over it, believe me. Bringing a new proven effective pain-relief medication of an entirely new type to market would be a very appealing idea to many up-and-coming drug companies.
The whole resistance from Big Pharma to weed is there's no money for them. Weed is literally a weed. Wherever corn can grow, you can grow weed. It's a wonder plant and applicable to so many industrial needs... but Big Pharma says No.

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Old 02.03.2018, 15:53
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Police have no sense of humour. Good luck with this defence.
I don't worry about police. It's the judges one's gotta deal with.

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The whole resistance from Big Pharma to weed is there's no money for them. Weed is literally a weed. Wherever corn can grow, you can grow weed. It's a wonder plant and applicable to so many industrial needs... but Big Pharma says No.
This.
Nobody can take out a patent for it.
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Old 02.03.2018, 16:35
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The whole resistance from Big Pharma to weed is there's no money for them. Weed is literally a weed. Wherever corn can grow, you can grow weed. It's a wonder plant and applicable to so many industrial needs... but Big Pharma says No.
There is real research into what the active components in 'weed' can do but I'm not sure it's even at the big pharma stage yet.

If it really is successful in treating cancerous cells etc then I'm sure pharmaceutical companies will jump on board to produce a safe, working product without the 'side effects'.
Actually, it's already at the clinical trial stage (albeit a synthetic drug)


It's not as if plant-based medicine hasn't made it into the mainstream before. I don't see many people chewing on willow leaves but I bet most people have a bottle of aspirin in their cupboard.
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Old 02.03.2018, 16:45
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The whole resistance from Big Pharma to weed is there's no money for them. Weed is literally a weed. Wherever corn can grow, you can grow weed. It's a wonder plant and applicable to so many industrial needs... but Big Pharma says No.
There would be plenty of money in isolating and synthesising any components that could be proven to be safe and effective, for whatever indication. This 'no money' is often trotted out by the pro-cannabis lobby, but it's simply not true. It relies on the assumption that all they'd need to drop would be to harvest it and pack it, which is nonsense.

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This.
Nobody can take out a patent for it.
Again, this is not the case. If compounds can be isolated and replicated, then the process for doing so and the end result could both be subject to patents.
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Old 02.03.2018, 18:18
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The whole resistance from Big Pharma to weed is there's no money for them. Weed is literally a weed. Wherever corn can grow, you can grow weed. It's a wonder plant and applicable to so many industrial needs... but Big Pharma says No.



I would argue that it's Big Governments saying no that leads to Big Pharma sitting back. In the end, once legal, it is so easy to grow, process and distribute that I would guess Big Pharma stays out as they would have to spend too much time defending patents.
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Old 02.03.2018, 18:27
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Old 02.03.2018, 18:27
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I would argue that it's Big Governments saying no that leads to Big Pharma sitting back. In the end, once legal, it is so easy to grow, process and distribute that I would guess Big Pharma stays out as they would have to spend too much time defending patents.
They'll isolate he active compounds and create synthetic versions and use those.

Smoking weed is never going to be an approved way of curing cancer when smoking cannabis is much more harmful to lung than smoking cigarettes.
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Old 05.03.2018, 01:27
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I'd be interested to try it myself if it were available in a more predictable and controlled form. I'm in more or less constant pain, which I can reduce with huge doses of NSAIDs or cease caring about with small doses of opiates (which I resort to only very rarely, like perhaps a couple of times a year) so should be a prime candidate, but I really really don't want any sort of rush or high, so am reluctant to try it in the form it's currently available.
Have you considered or tried CBD oil E vapes? I just wonder if one of those with zero nicotine content would be worth a go.
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Old 05.03.2018, 01:59
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I'd be interested to try it myself if it were available in a more predictable and controlled form... but I really really don't want any sort of rush or high, so am reluctant to try it in the form it's currently available.
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Have you considered or tried CBD oil E vapes? I just wonder if one of those with zero nicotine content would be worth a go.
Not sure why you mention nicotine, but no, I hadn't considered them. And no, it wouldn't be 'worth a go'. All else apart, the quick release, and short term effect, that's inherent, and indeed desired, in recreational products is completely at odds with the sort of chronic pain issues I mentioned.

Getting high to temporarily relieve pain may be a solution for some people, and I think this is the real current market for medicinal use, but it's absolutely not what I'd be looking for.
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Re: Cannabis?

I think we might have crossed wires here...

My understanding is that Swiss manufactured e-liquids don't contain nicotine. I don't see the point of people adding a new drug to their system for the sake of obtaining the medicinal properties of cannabis.

THC is the element of cannabis that creates a high. CBD and CBN are the elements of cannabis being investigated for medicinal and pain relief usage. As some Swiss companies are investing quite heavily in research into these components, perhaps someone here who works in pharmaceuticals could comment far better than I. I'm just wondering if we will possibly see the delivery method of CBD going down the e-liquid route in the future to relieve the base line in pain management, with traditional pain relief and opiods being used as a 'top up'?

I also wonder if certain traits such as reduced nausea and increased appetite can be isolated and added to medicinal CBD?
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Old 08.03.2018, 21:28
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23 Science-Backed Health Benefits Of Marijuana, apparently.
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Old 08.03.2018, 21:31
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Apart from the known affects in reducing pain, the rest is a load of conjecture.
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Old 08.03.2018, 21:38
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Re: Cannabis?

This story was heavily featured on UK news last week...

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A former Home Office minister has appealed for a six-year-old boy with epilepsy to be given a special licence to use medicinal cannabis.
The parents of Alfie Dingley want the government to let him use cannabis oil, a banned substance in the UK, to help with his symptoms.
Ex-Justice Minister Sir Mike Penning said he had "huge" sympathy for the boy, who has 20 to 30 seizures a day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-c...shire-43318408

From the Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry...
'Evidence for cannabis and cannabinoids for epilepsy: a systematic review of controlled and observational evidence'
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/early/20...7168.responses
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Apart from the known affects in reducing pain, the rest is a load of conjecture.
I said apparently
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I said apparently
Perhaps you meant to say "Allegedly"?
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I'll commit the sin of quoting myself; from upthread, this is the current procedure one has to go through:

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Another FYI for those inquiring about medical marijuana, with THC, for treatment of chronic debilitating pain:

A friend has recently gone that route. In Switzerland your doctor must first submit an application 'to Bern' (as my friend described it, I assume she meant the BAG) putting forth the medical case as to why it should be used. If approved, you are given a time-limited permit. The doctor's prescription can only be filled at the one pharmacy in all of Switzerland licensed to dispense medical marijuana, I believe this Apotheke is in canton Bern. The usual form allowed is a tincure. (Which she says, tastes absolutely disgusting...)

It's quite expensive, my friend's prescription runs ca CHF 300 per week. Generally it is not paid by the KK, an exception might be MS patients. My friend was told that after X months if it is proven to provide pain relief that allows her to keep off morphine she (and her doctor) may re-apply to the KK for a review. But she says she was told that very few patients suffering from something other than MS ever get it covered by the KK, and so needs to be prepared to continue paying out of pocket if it proves effective.
And as an update, my friend could not stomach the 'generic' form of the tincture due to it's taste, so she has switched to a more expensive version that is flavored to be more palatable. She now pays something like 1500-1600 per month for her prescription. And no, even after review showing the tincture to be an effective alternative to daily morphine, the KK has refused coverage. That a pretty hefty out of pocket expense.

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Well, I solved my weed need. I moved back to the states. Hopefully, someone else can get something from this thread. Thanks to all with their suggestions and assistance. Cheers.

And I'm back! I have come back to Basel to live with my spouse again and of course, I couldn't bring large quantities with me. I've run out again and the nerves getting through TSA were tough enough. I've tried that 1% stuff before I left and it just didn't cut it. We call that ditch weed in the states.



I had a medical marijuana card in the states and brought it with me. Do you think I can ask my doctor if it can be prescribed for me here in Basel? Does anyone have experience getting it here legally from a medical perspective? I'm really at a loss because no one I know smokes, much less smokes weed for medical reasons. I have a few edible chocolates with me in case of an emergency but I really need something a little more permanent to help me sleep and keep my anxiety at bay. Feel free to PM me rather than respond here. Thanks for any help you can offer.
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Old 10.07.2018, 15:28
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