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Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

I was pre-diabetic and having come under the 4.0 to 5.9 index I was taken
off the 2 x 500gm Metformin. The following para makes me conclude that this is a modern mans dietary pattern behind the increase of this ailment?

"To put it simply, overeating carbohydrate foods prevents fats from being used for energy, and lead to an increase in fat storage. It also raises your insulin levels, which in short order can cause insulin resistance, followed by diabetes. Insulin resistance is also at the heart of virtually every disease known to man.
Contrary to popular belief, eating fat does NOT make you fat—carbohydrates,
such as sugar and white flour do. Your body has a limited capacity to store
excess carbohydrates, but it can easily convert those excess carbohydrates into excess body fat. Any carbohydrates not immediately used by your body are stored in the form of glycogen (a long string of glucose molecules linked together). Your body has two storage sites for glycogen: your liver and your muscles. Once the glycogen levels are filled in both your liver and muscles,excess carbohydrates are converted into fat and stored in your adipose, or fatty tissue."
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Re: Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

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Like TB, malaria, smallpox and influenza?

Note: quoting broken (again).
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Old 28.09.2016, 16:28
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Re: Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

I thought it was pretty well known that pre Type II diabetes could be reversed in most cases with weight management and healthy eating.

It's the advice the NHS gives out in the UK to lose weight and stop eating junk.
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I thought it was pretty well known that pre Type II diabetes could be reversed in most cases with weight management and healthy eating.

It's the advice the NHS gives out in the UK to lose weight and stop eating junk.
Yes and no. It's not quite that simple for everyone. It can be reversed in some people with lifestyle changes and it's pretty clear that managing carbohydrates helps most people. But like everything else, there are exceptions.
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Old 28.09.2016, 16:44
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Yes and no. It's not quite that simple for everyone. It can be reversed in some people with lifestyle changes and it's pretty clear that managing carbohydrates helps most people. But like everything else, there are exceptions.
Yes, you're right. I was getting carried away with a blanket claim.

I think there's more success the earlier they catch it.
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Old 28.09.2016, 16:45
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Re: Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

None of this is really new, if you follow the scientific literature. Apart, of course, from the bullshit statement about insulin resistance being the cause of all diseases; that's just utter, utter bollocks.
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OP, do you by chance know forum member Alkalarian?

I have a feeling that you two would get along smashingly.
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Old 28.09.2016, 17:03
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OP, do you by chance know forum member Alkalarian?

I have a feeling that you two would get along smashingly.
I don't think so. They'd be constantly disagreeing over what is the cause of all human disease; insulin or acidic diet.
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Insulin resistance is also at the heart of virtually every disease known to man.
It is a documented scientific fact that you only get AIDS if you are diabetic - and fat - or is it when you have cake sex - or did the cakes infect us with AIDS?
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Old 28.09.2016, 18:09
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Re: Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

Plenty of books on reversing Type II diabetes if you search Amazon. And I was looking at another one recently in WH Smith's by a British doctor. Also has a cookbook companion.
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Old 29.09.2016, 09:34
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I thought it was pretty well known that pre Type II diabetes could be reversed in most cases with weight management and healthy eating.

It's the advice the NHS gives out in the UK to lose weight and stop eating junk.
While weight control and diet help a lot, not everyone can do without medication. My mom has diabetes type II and her main concern is to keep it under control so she won't need the insulin shots any time soon.
She's not terribly over-weight, never was actually, but she's in her (still early) 60s and of course she's gained some weight compared to when she was 40 for instance.
Anyhow, her GP is keeping her under observation - she has to go to regular check-ups even though she has her own kit to determine her blood sugar level - accucheck if I recall correctly - and she told me there's alway a big queue there which is sad, more and more of people suffer from this diseases.
Anyhow, she also got an exercise bike and she actually exercises every day as per doctor's advise - I'm very proud of her taking this very seriously. Yeah, she should move more but still working in accountancy doesn't help much...
Oh, and junk food was never her thing. You just can't explain some things.

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Old 29.09.2016, 10:14
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While weight control and diet help a lot, not everyone can do without medication. My mom has diabetes type II and her main concern is to keep it under control so she won't need the insulin shots any time soon.
She's not terribly over-weight, never was actually, but she's in her (still early) 60s and of course she's gained some weight compared to when she was 40 for instance.
Anyhow, her GP is keeping her under observation - she has to go to regular check-ups even though she has her own kit to determine her blood sugar level - accucheck if I recall correctly - and she told me there's alway a big queue there which is sad, more and more of people suffer from this diseases.
Anyhow, she also got an exercise bike and she actually exercises every day as per doctor's advise - I'm very proud of her taking this very seriously. Yeah, she should move more but still working in accountancy doesn't help much...
Oh, and junk food was never her thing. You just can't explain some things.
Yep I agree - (I added a post a bit further down owning up to my blanket sweeping statement fail... ).

I'm still a firm believer that whatever the condition you have, it can in many cases be managed and maybe kept in check if you look after yourself through balanced diet, exercise, curbing the fags and booze, etc.

Sounds like your mum's efforts to keep her condition in check are paying dividends now.

I also have a chronic (albeit very mild) condition and make an effort to do my part of keeping myself healthy, fit and a reasonable weight and so far I'm winning. My meds, although necessary, are the minimum dosage and my doctor is pleased with the stability of the symptoms.
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You can even think it away at some cases.
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Re: Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

New research which suggests it may be possible to trigger the pancreas to regenerate itself through a programme of fasting. Seems good results may be possible for both Type I and II sufferers.

"The pancreas can be triggered to regenerate itself through a type of fasting diet, say US researchers.

Restoring the function of the organ - which helps control blood sugar levels - reversed symptoms of diabetes in animal experiments.

The study, published in the journal Cell, says the diet reboots the body.

Experts said the findings were "potentially very exciting" and could be "immensely" beneficial.

This is the latest study into the health benefits of the "fasting-mimicking diet".

People spend five days on a low calorie, low protein, low carbohydrate but high unsaturated-fat diet.

Then they have 25 days eating what they want - so overall it mimics periods of feast and famine."

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39070183
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Re: Diabetes II is a dietary disease & can be reversed!

I currently have mega issues with my pancreas and diabetes - 40 percent was eaten away with aggressive E-colli 2 and a half years ago and I develoved a strange version of diabetes.
I see the Uberarzt every month in the Kantonspital to try and control this - not working well.

Bouncing between 3 and 26 mmol on a daily basis with lantus and novo rapid and strict diet. Have an abbot glucose monitor which helps a bit to prevent hypoglycemia.

If I could grow some insullin producing beta thingies I would be over the moon.

Got my next termin next week and I will volenteer to try this diet under hospital control. I think he will agree as he is always trying to get me into the place for other trials after 3 comas and other issues.

This report gives me hope and kind of links into some self tests which I have been making with small food and insullin tests and watching the glucose responses on the monitor. I always believed that a variation of an aitkins diet would have a positive effect, but I could never stick to it.

5 days needs more like a lock down environment and no beers. I think 5 days is not enough. When I was last in hospital I was 12 days with no food - just salt and water drips. No effect. Maybe the fat is the secret?

The 25 day - eat what you want feast after the famine - would currently kill me in 2 days, so this could be interesting

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New research which suggests it may be possible to trigger the pancreas to regenerate itself through a programme of fasting. Seems good results may be possible for both Type I and II sufferers.

"The pancreas can be triggered to regenerate itself through a type of fasting diet, say US researchers.
A close friend who is Type 1, was put on a crash diet of 900 calories a day by his consultant back in 2013. This was seen, at the time, as a last resort because he'd collapsed three times at work within a 6mth period, and been hospitalised on each occassion. After 2mths, normal eating was gradually resumed and he was 'episode free' on 1/10th of the meds he'd previously been on for almost a year.

However, long term, the repurcussions haven't been wonderful. His eyesight has been affected quite badly and his teeth became loose. I went to his birthday do a few weeks ago and his eyesight is still deteriorating, so he's booking lots of long haul holidays to revisit his younger travelling days whilst he can.
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60 days on such a diet is quite a bit different from the proposed 5 days of this study. Maybe that would make a difference?
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60 days on such a diet is quite a bit different from the proposed 5 days of this study. Maybe that would make a difference?
I don't know. The Newcastle diet is also based upon 8 weeks.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/newca...orie-diet.html
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I think I will try the 5 -12 days zero protein zero Carb with fat version in a semi controlled environment and extend this in a more excerise related place (with insullin and dextrose backups). Got enough stored fat reserves for a couple of weeks for the energy.

It is the "feast" element that I cannot get my head around. Binging on sugar or pulses is not good to stimulate the pancreas, so I need to see what are the best proteins and carbs to kickstart the regeneration process mentioned in the report.

Getting desperate now - pancreas transplant impossible in ch - no donors. But you can live without one.

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Interesting new blood sugar level monitoring possibility.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39208696
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