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Thank you all for your answers again.
A full face one yes. How do you keep your mouth from opening with just a nose mask?
Also how do you keep it all clean, with the drool, coughing, and everything?

For the other questions:
Yes, I also thought that weight was mostly diet. Then last year I had to take antibiotics and now even with 1 small meal per day, no sugar, I still collect fat like a magnet.
(Soon you'll know all about my medical history if it goes on like that )

So, from your answers, nobody tried those MAS devices? Or did you, and it didn't work?
I go pretty hard core with my CPAP, ramp up is for pussies and the pressure is set to Leaf-blow, sometimes it is like sleeping with a hovercraft on my face but we get through the night, my mask is kaputt and held together with ducttape and silicon bathroom grouting, a new one is a bit expensive at the moment but I get it to work, it gets washed out every now and then, or swilled out with alcohol, gives you a nice little buzz before nodding off, just don´t hit on the idea of dribbling anything aromatising the humidifier, tried it with a bit of vic vaporub last time I had a cold, it...did...not...work.
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

If you have sleep apnea and get sleepy during the day (which isn't the case of all sufferers), you may get your driving permit taken off you, doctors are on the lookout for these types of problems (+all other medical issues that could cause problems behind the wheel).
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If you have sleep apnea and get sleepy during the day (which isn't the case of all sufferers), you may get your driving permit taken off you, doctors are on the lookout for these types of problems (+all other medical issues that could cause problems behind the wheel).
That happened to me, it took time until I realised that this was not normal, don´t forget your brain is not firing on all cylinders when you are extremely deprived of sleep, I went the the center in St. Gallen and after the test the doctor told me that unless I have treatment he will take my driving license away there and now, if necessary he can call the police to detain me.
I told him that I was here for treatment, got my CPAP the same day and kept my license.
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Regarding the usability of the nasal pillow, I guess that I just tend to sleep with my mouth closed. In fact, that may be an aspect of my apnea in that I suspect the blockage is between my mouth and nose meaning that if I did breath through my mouth when asleep I'd be fine. They explained how to clean it, but I tend to forget because it's never visibly dirty. So perhaps I'm just lucky on this one point. (I now think I've been unusually tired for decades, and sleeping on my back, my apnea index was up around 90 without the machine.)

Regarding costs, etc, in Zurich the machines are rented out by Lunge Zürich and these rentals are covered by basic insurance, though subject to the usual franchise. I'm rather pleased by the Resmed they've given me, and since it is a rental they just replace anything that breaks through normal wear and tear, e.g they just handed me a new mask when they noticed the elastic straps were starting to go limp. So this works for me, but note that my health insurance strategy is to take the low franchise and hit it early. It might be different if I have fewer other things going on.

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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Just as a bit of advice to the OP, I have also been diagnosed with sleep apnea. My doctor said that it is considered a "disease" so your medical insurance will cover the costs of any consultations, operations etc. Not sure about apparatus like a CPAP mask, I haven't been given this yet, but I presume this is also covered.

To all the CPAP users, what do you do about sleeping on a plane? Since I got diagnosed, I'm a bit paranoid about flying and snoring loudly, annoying the other passengers...can you take these devices on a plane?
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How do you fly? My normal sized Resmed is fine to use in, say, Swiss long haul business class, but could be hard to find a place for or set up in economy. It requires a power outlet and a flat surface. There are smaller machines (including battery powered machines) which would probably work in economy, but are reported to be a touch less comfortable. I've thought about buying one as a back up and for camping, but so far just use the rented Resmed.

Also, as a medical device you can bring the machine into the cabin and it doesn't count as a carry on.
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I have my hospital consultation (already done the ENT doctor one, with the overnight apnea testing device...not comfortable!) in the middle of March. Will know more then, but nice to know there's a "community" on here who might be able to provide useful info. Thanks all.
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"That happened to me, it took time until I realised that this was not normal, don´t forget your brain is not firing on all cylinders when you are extremely deprived of sleep, I went the the center in St. Gallen and after the test the doctor told me that unless I have treatment he will take my driving license away there and now, if necessary he can call the police to detain me.
I told him that I was here for treatment, got my CPAP the same day and kept my license."


Happily you tolerated the cpap well because there is a tracking device in it that states how long the person uses it every night, difficult to cheat
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You might want to check first with an ENT, then buy all sorts of devices. They are cumbersome to use, and some are loud. Won't your insurance cover part of the cost?
Know sleep apnea is not funny - I've also always had a form of it, which makes a good nights sleep sometimes hell. Have the choice of surgery to correct my nasal passages, but for now:

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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Since it was mentioned a few times: They gave me the cpap directly at the hospital, never got any bill or anything, so I guess it's all covered so far

And StirB: the testing night wasn't uncomfortable at all
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Good for you, it cost me more or less Fr. 500.-- (covered, but with a Fr. 300.-- franchise + 10%, no fun)
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Good for you, it cost me more or less Fr. 500.-- (covered, but with a Fr. 300.-- franchise + 10%, no fun)
Ouch. Once?
Every year?
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

To the OP and other my story of CPap, avoid at all costs unless nothing else helps.

I come from a family of snorers so snoring was not consider unusual until I was about 30 when 1 girlfriend insisted I go to a sleep clinic and be tested. Results came back good in that I did not have sleep apnea but also that they had never heard someone snore so loud that did not have sleep apnea!

Fast forward 15 years and snoring was a problem again for my current partner. Off to the doctor for the first round of checks (ok),then to a ear/nose/throat specialist for a series of tests which showed there was nothing physically wrong or obstructing things while I was awake. They could do a laser surgery to help with snoring but this is painful and is really only successful while there is scar tissue there.

A friend who had a snoring problem did a series of workshops and exercises to train himself to "nose breathe" which helped a lot but then went onto get a dental frame to hold the jaw into place, at this stage he had some apnea but not serious. The jaw device helped his apnea and he avoided a Cpap. I was then referred to another doctor to get a second opinion about the laser surgery, it was him who informed me that it was not a permanent solution. He (based in Meilen 8706)did recommend the jaw brace but there was a new system which was more comfortable (and a lot cheaper) which was two molded mouth guards attached by rubber bands which forces the lower jaw back keeping the airway open. So I got one and used it occasionally but it would sometimes fall out. I am sure if I persisted with it my snoring would not have got worse (which it did) leading to another test at a sleep clinic and I now have bad sleep apnea and need to use a CPap machine.

Doctor in Meilen, there is also a dentist in the same building that fits the guards. http://hno-scherler.ch/doktor.html

A long story short, if you snore do something about it, obviously get it checked by doctors. The simple solution is to breathe through your nose when sleeping, this can be achieved a few easy ways, jaw braces as mentioned above (but I would use this in conjunction with a headband to keep the jaw closed) these are uncomfortable at the beginning. A piece of medical tape 30mm wide stuck across your lips leaving a bit of space each side to let air out, another friend used this for years and noticed an immediate reduction in apnea like symptoms. Bouncing around the internet are various "head bands" in wetsuit type material to hold your jaw closed while you sleep. Lungenliege also has these to be used with CPap machines so maybe a cheap/easy option.

Losing weight, don't drink alcohol or smoke will also assist. Snoring will get worse with age so treat it while you can, allegedly not snoring also results in happier partners = more sex which can only be good!

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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

CPap machines, a few dot points.

Resmed out of Australia are leading the world with technology and machines. They also have clip on humidifiers which work well and all fit in the same bag.
Try a few different masks, they are all uncomfortable but some are better than others.
It is normal to rent a machine first then insurance will pay for the machine, although with the cost of rent they actually pay for 2 machines!
Don't worry about it on the plane, you will probably never see those people again! But you can carry it on in addition to your normal carry on allowance.
Make sure you get a few spare filters to fit your machine and change them as needed.
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Ouch. Once?
Every year?
Dunno, I gave it back after two weeks, my quality of life was in jeopardy
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...as a medical device you can bring the machine into the cabin and it doesn't count as a carry on.
Correct, but keep in mind you might need extra time at security. In the USA mine was always tested for explosive residue. I never was able to use it on a plane, but then on planes I am always sitting up (no business class for me) and I have fewer apnea problems when sleeping upright. That takes training too.

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...Happily you tolerated the cpap well because there is a tracking device in it that states how long the person uses it every night, difficult to cheat
Why on earth would you want to cheat? Sleep apnea isn't just about being tired or snoring loudly. Long-term apnea can cause hypertension and increase risk for heart attack and stroke. It's not something to just accept as a fact of life, unless you also accept your life might be substantially shorter by doing nothing.

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To the OP and other my story of CPap, avoid at all costs unless nothing else helps...
I re-read your story and I'm a bit puzzled. Why avoid at all costs? It's inconvenient but you get used to it.

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Dunno, I gave it back after two weeks, my quality of life was in jeopardy
Sorry to hear that. IMO 2 weeks is not enough time to get used to wearing a CPAP. It's a totally different way of breathing and sleeping. I had to try several different pressures, ramp-up, humidifier with slight heat, and at least 3 different masks to find what worked. I hope you were able to find another solution to your apnea.

In terms of using a nose-only mask, I quickly adapted and no longer breathed through my mouth. Occasionally when I was congested I would breathe for a moment or two through my mouth, but it's not a big deal. Anyone who plays a musical instrument learns double-breathing. It's like that - doesn't hurt and if you already know how to do it you barely notice.

Another thing that can help with apnea is to raise the head of the bed a few inches. You can do this with adjustable lattenrost or by putting blocks (2-4" high) under the head of the bed. You don't want to use more pillows, as that puts your neck in an awkward position and can constrict the airway further.

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To all the CPAP users, what do you do about sleeping on a plane? Since I got diagnosed, I'm a bit paranoid about flying and snoring loudly, annoying the other passengers...can you take these devices on a plane?
Generally don't sleep on planes but if I do nod off when I wake the flight attendants generally ask if I slept well. And I look around the cabin at people with earplugs, piilows over their heads, etc...
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To all the CPAP users, what do you do about sleeping on a plane? Since I got diagnosed, I'm a bit paranoid about flying and snoring loudly, annoying the other passengers...can you take these devices on a plane?
Oh good lord! You think you're worse than the bloke laughing out loud at the Full Monty, the two business guys holding a business meeting over their headphones and the baby crying?
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"Why on earth would you want to cheat? Sleep apnea isn't just about being tired or snoring loudly. Long-term apnea can cause hypertension and increase risk for heart attack and stroke. It's not something to just accept as a fact of life, unless you also accept your life might be substantially shorter by doing nothing."



And what about the case that the authorities take your driving permit away if you don't wear your cpap?

And if you are a poor sleeper without a cpap and loose almost all sleep with a cpap?
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Just as a bit of advice to the OP, I have also been diagnosed with sleep apnea. My doctor said that it is considered a "disease" so your medical insurance will cover the costs of any consultations, operations etc. Not sure about apparatus like a CPAP mask, I haven't been given this yet, but I presume this is also covered.

To all the CPAP users, what do you do about sleeping on a plane? Since I got diagnosed, I'm a bit paranoid about flying and snoring loudly, annoying the other passengers...can you take these devices on a plane?
I had a fairly bad Apnea, the test at the lab showed that on that night I managed a total of 10 minutes of sleep, the rest was awake, or REM.

I noticed a definite improvement after I started using the machine and took it everywhere with me.

About 5 years later, I tried just not using it for a couple of weeks - I didn't notice a huge difference, and wasn't snoring like I had before the CPAP.

I don't bother taking it with me for a trip up to about 3 weeks anymore.

If they ask you if you want to lease or buy the machine, think about your franchise and do the math... You'll be leasing the machine forever, but if you buy it then you take a hit on that year, but then you're done until the machine needs replacing.
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