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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Happy to hear you've had some success. A few years ago I was also suffering mild apnea..and the effects are crap...most days by mid afternoon it was a real struggle to stay awake.

Bu now I swear by the 'jaw advancement' devices. I've used a Snorex 'jaw advancement' device for years (well not the same one.. that would be horrible.. they last about 3 months)

I can't sleep without it now.. and.. the other half says I don't snore at all. Maybe my tongue is less... er.. flacid ?

They cost around 100chfs each from the US. They do take some getting used to.. a week or two at least.. but for me they're worth every penny

I've also just received some Zquiet devices from somnishop.ch.. cheaper and maybe useful as a back up option
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Happy to hear you've had some success. A few years ago I was also suffering mild apnea..and the effects are crap...most days by mid afternoon it was a real struggle to stay awake.

Bu now I swear by the 'jaw advancement' devices. I've used a Snorex 'jaw advancement' device for years (well not the same one.. that would be horrible.. they last about 3 months)

I can't sleep without it now.. and.. the other half says I don't snore at all. Maybe my tongue is less... er.. flacid ?

They cost around 100chfs each from the US. They do take some getting used to.. a week or two at least.. but for me they're worth every penny

I've also just received some Zquiet devices from somnishop.ch.. cheaper and maybe useful as a back up option
you do snore a bit
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Sorry to revive this old thread, but can anybody recommend a good doctor/sleep lab? Other than the one at Triemlispital?
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I went to the one at Waidspital and they sorted me right out.

I got referred there by these guys:

http://www.hno-praxis-milchbuck.ch/
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Back to previous question earlier on the thread re the cleaning of the machine.
I use the triangle mask, which covers nose and mouth.

One should get original washing up liquid (whether brand or supermarket no difference) the one without added scent etc.

Undo the mask from the slip over plastic, I wash/ rinse the mask every morning. A tiny (smidgen) amount of washing up liquid, as too much might long term wear the plastic/rubber, then use warm water. The tubing, about once a week. I again use tiny amount of washing up liquid and rinse it through over the bath/shower area & hang it over the shower hook for to dry out.


The main machine has a filter, about the size of 2 postage stamps that needs to be changed now and again, not sure how often, I check it monthly.

The strapping that holds the mask in position, I wash whenever I have time to allow it to dry
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I have been using the machine around 2 years. Originally had the finger test, a gadget that went on a finger with something attached about the size of mobile for a few nights. From that they were able to count how many times I stopped breathing. Everyone has moments of stopping breathing (hope I have the term correct), but with Sleep Apnoea one is doing it too much.

The sleep machine (as I call it CPAP), yes, I think it is great. It does take time to get used to how to use it and be comfortable with it.


I was encouraged initially to try to use it for 4 hours a night and then build up from there. Some nights I did not bother with it in the early days.


Thinking back, I was conscious of it, this foreign thing and being aware of the different noise from my own breathing and I think it did take a few months to settle in with it.

I did get one or two head colds and was not able to use the machine during those times. I believe it was clearing my system out. Cannot remember the last time I had a head cold, more than a year.

I aim to use the mask minimum 4 hours, but when I can get 8 hours all the better.

Sometimes I find the hose piping to be cold, I use a small towel that I place under where it be touches me, until I fall asleep.

Sex life is improved and mask is easy to slip off for intimate moments or delay putting it on.

A few trips away up to 8 nights I have left the machine behind, could not be bothered with the extra luggage and ensuring electric socket /table in place of wherever I was sleeping.

Whenever I have any medical questions and asked if on any medication, my answer is always no, but that I do use the CPAP machine. I suspect without It, I would be taking some medication.
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Old 17.08.2017, 20:55
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snip......The simple solution is to breathe through your nose when sleeping, this can be achieved a few easy ways, jaw braces as mentioned above (but I would use this in conjunction with a headband to keep the jaw closed) these are uncomfortable at the beginning. A piece of medical tape 30mm wide stuck across your lips leaving a bit of space each side to let air out, another friend used this for years and noticed an immediate reduction in apnea like symptoms. Bouncing around the internet are various "head bands" in wetsuit type material to hold your jaw closed while you sleep. Lungenliege also has these to be used with CPap machines so maybe a cheap/easy option.

Losing weight, don't drink alcohol or smoke will also assist. Snoring will get worse with age so treat it while you can, allegedly not snoring also results in happier partners = more sex which can only be good!
I have similar experience.

I use this device, which is heated & is moulded to the teeth, and holds the jaw together, like a set of false teeth joined together,
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snorego-Stop-Snoring-Mouthpiece-Professional/dp/B01CIEA9YW/ref=sr_1_37_s_it?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=150299212 7&sr=1-37&keywords=stop+snoring

and I use the chin strap to keep my mouth closed,
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plemo-Anti-Snore-Closure-Breathing-Comfortable/dp/B01N7ROLZG/ref=sr_1_29_s_it?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=150299243 6&sr=1-29&keywords=stop+snoring

and together they work well! They cost £22 together, plus postage.

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Yes, they take a bit of getting used to, but if you have a full face one, and you disconnect the hose, they are absolutely tops for driving the dog bonkers!
So funny you say that, my husband has been wearing a mask for sleep apnea for a long while. A few months ago we were looking after someone's dog for a couple of weeks while they were on holiday. In the dead of the night the dog clean jumped on my husbands chest as he lay sleeping in bed with his mask on. Not to do anything, not to bite it or lick it, or anything. The dog just seemed mesmerised by it. .003 of a second and we were both instantly awake. Did make us laugh after the event though. Me especially.

My husbands mask goes over his mouth & nose. He went to a CPAP clinic where they measure the strength of air flow required to keep your airway open whilst sleeping. An annual appointment monitors the machine is doing its job (by medical staff reading the data chip stored in it) If anything has changed then they may need to adjust the machines settings.

I am skeptical that anything from a dentist will work to keep your airway open i.e. throat, surely a dentist can only make something for your mouth. Which will not solve the problem if you have sleep apnea. And charge you handsomely into the bargain!!

More importantly, if you know you do have sleep apnea and don't seek medical help to get it treated properly your car insurance is automatically invalidated in the UK. I would advise you check it out for Switzerland sharpish if you drive.
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Old 16.09.2017, 16:57
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Forget all that, what you want is to learn to play the didgeridoo!

"Researchers from Zurich were among the 2017 recipients of the Ig Nobel peace prize for discovering that playing the didgeridoo can help people stop snoring.

Awarded on Thursday night at Harvard University in the US, the Ig Nobel is a light-hearted alternative to the famous Nobel prize that recognizes “achievements that first make people laugh, then make them think”, according to the prize’s website.

Milo Puhan, a researcher from the University of Zurich, jointly won this year’s peace prize with his colleagues for leading a study that showed “regular playing of a didgeridoo is an effective treatment for obstructive sleep apnoea and snoring”.

The study dates from 2005, when the team studied the effects of playing the didgeridoo on patients suffering from sleep apnoea.

Half the group of 25 were told to regularly play the Australian musical instrument, while the rest did not. After four months, the didgeridoo players were less tired during the day and had fewer symptoms of sleep apnoea, the university said in a statement at the time.

The project was instigated by didgeridoo teacher Alex Suarez, based at the time in the Zurich Oberland, who found that after several months playing the instrument he snored less and didn't feel as tired.

Why? Because playing the didgeridoo strengthens the muscles in the upper airways that are usually weaker in people with sleep apnoea, said the researchers.

This musical therapy is a much nicer treatment for patients than wearing a nose mask at night, they said.

Whether it would work for players of the Swiss version of a didgeridoo – the alphorn – remains to be studied."

https://www.thelocal.ch/20170915/zur...revent-snoring
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Tried the mask -tore it off in the middle of the night whilst "asleep"
Tried the strap
Tried a mouth insert -very uncomfortable and little effect
Turned down an offer of a didgeridoo - no joke - I hadn't heard about the side effects at that time.
Now I am trying to decide between a Velumount insert and surgery - the one is relatively painless, not sure what the Krankenkasse will pay, but I have been referred through the family doctor to an HNO specialist (who would operate) to a Velumount specialist - these semi-private treatments here are a strange area of medicine - is it the future where most medics try to earn directly from their inventions?
Will also try the tennis ball method, but I suspect a concrete wall (or our dog) may be more effective.
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Old 18.09.2017, 10:59
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Re: Dentist to help against snoring

Has anybody here tried the Velumount? I am curious because my specialist's opinion was that the future solution for Apnea would be some could of electro - muscle stimulation implant , where research was already happening, but with no published results yet.
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Old 18.09.2017, 11:54
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Or even

"The tennis ball trick. To keep yourself from rolling onto your back while you sleep, sew a tennis ball into a pocket on the back of your pajama top. Or wedge a pillow stuffed with tennis balls behind your back."

Poppers might be better for sealing the pocket up though. Makes it easier to get the balls out when you want to wash the jammies.

A tennisball sewn into the back of your jammies, means simply that you sleep on your back with a tennisball sewn into your jammies and what if you prefer to sleep in the raw?
As to playing the didge to cure snoring, it´s a cute idea but it doesn´t work, I suppose if you rammed it in your neck it would keep your airways open, these nose strips keep you nose open really good but not the muscles in your throat and there is nothing a dentist can do, there is one surgical procedure that my father tried and that was to shave and stint the muscles in his throat, there was a marked difference... he snored in a squeeky tone after that. In my opinion the only option is to get used to a CPAP.
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So funny you say that, my husband has been wearing a mask for sleep apnea for a long while. A few months ago we were looking after someone's dog for a couple of weeks while they were on holiday. In the dead of the night the dog clean jumped on my husbands chest as he lay sleeping in bed with his mask on. Not to do anything, not to bite it or lick it, or anything. The dog just seemed mesmerised by it. .003 of a second and we were both instantly awake. Did make us laugh after the event though. Me especially.

My husbands mask goes over his mouth & nose. He went to a CPAP clinic where they measure the strength of air flow required to keep your airway open whilst sleeping. An annual appointment monitors the machine is doing its job (by medical staff reading the data chip stored in it) If anything has changed then they may need to adjust the machines settings.

I am skeptical that anything from a dentist will work to keep your airway open i.e. throat, surely a dentist can only make something for your mouth. Which will not solve the problem if you have sleep apnea. And charge you handsomely into the bargain!!

More importantly, if you know you do have sleep apnea and don't seek medical help to get it treated properly your car insurance is automatically invalidated in the UK. I would advise you check it out for Switzerland sharpish if you drive.
They will take your driving license away if you are diagnosed with Apnea and refuse to treat it.
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Check out the peace price - May be a better idea
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Or even

"The tennis ball trick. To keep yourself from rolling onto your back while you sleep, sew a tennis ball into a pocket on the back of your pajama top. Or wedge a pillow stuffed with tennis balls behind your back."

Poppers might be better for sealing the pocket up though. Makes it easier to get the balls out when you want to wash the jammies.

Yes that is what I was advised to do as the problem was when I was on my back.

Ordered a couple of these:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/Anti-Stop-Sno...MFu1R2DVnem7mw

Just realised, have my results still on my desk.

Total events: 13.0/h
On Back: 26.9/h
Not on Back: 3.5/h (which is normal)

There are many other figures on the report.

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They just said on the news it can be improved by learning to play the didgeridoo as it strengthens the appropriate muscles in your throat.
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Sorry to revive this old thread, but can anybody recommend a good doctor/sleep lab? Other than the one at Triemlispital?
I went to:

Herz-und Lungen-Zentrum
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Was referred by my doctor who gave me the choice between Zug & Tremli (a referral is need if you want to be able to claim insurance cover)
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