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Old 22.05.2018, 19:29
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The choices are ours, especially changing perceptions, reprogramming what we got used to. Half liter of booze or cakes/sugar...you name it.

I don't even know why I drink coffee, it does keep me warm and pressure up, my metabolism is already too fast.
Let me tell you why I drink coffee: because it tastes great. That first doppio (actually, I let it pour a bit longer so it's more like a lungo) from my Ascaso Dream and made with fresh-ground (and recently roasted) Guatemalan beans (the fresher and lighter taste of a pure Arabica is especially nice in the morning) is just a sensational experience and sets me up for the day like nothing else.

I normally have just one more doppio after lunch. This is usually with work colleagues and we have a rule that if the coffee in the restaurant isn't up to scratch (no fully-automatic machines, please), then we go to the confiserie close to the office where it's always top-notch. (And at this point, the darker Arabica/Robusta mix is preferred.)

(And I even put a little bit of sugar in my coffee )

What I'm getting at here is that drinking coffee should be a visceral, sensual experience; it should be done comparatively rarely and only with the very best coffee - it's all about feeding your psyche. This philosophy also can be applied to plenty of foods, from red wine to cream cake (don't have some miserable, tasteless sweet thing once a day, have the best St. Honoré in town once a week)

If you don't know why you're drinking coffee, then you're probably drinking shit coffee and it wouldn't be a bad idea to give it up or look for some tasty coffee.
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Old 22.05.2018, 19:41
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Re: New Diabetes trial treatment?

I am not a coffee snob, true. I don't like heavy jackets so coffee will do. And anything changing the pH of stomach too fast will get a no from it.

But.

Looks like civilisation diseases (weight problem linked, diabetes, etc.) can be traced to hedonism. Glutony. And our addiction to pampering ourselves. Is it "because life is hard as it is"? We are selfish creatures who pay the price for it. Fasting is healthy in that aspect, but feeding addiction or emotional or social eating/drinking....hmmm. Not ideal. Pick a non food/drink related hedonism, or feed others instead (as I do, povres niños ). Then they got to shed a bit of podge while your dopamine gets "nourished" by creating, cooking and being generous. Sharing makes the world better.

(Sugar? In coffee???? Hahahah...if you insist, spice it. Chili or cinnamon but no sugar)
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Old 22.05.2018, 20:02
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(Sugar? In coffee???? Hahahah...if you insist, spice it. Chili or cinnamon but no sugar)
No. Only shit coffee needs spices; a little bit of sugar gives the perfect complement (taste is all about opposing flavours) to the bitterness and lets the underlying flavours come through). Italian people know this well and they, after all, invented this style of coffee. My rule is to pour half a packet in (and then take some pleasure in folding the packet neatly so the rest doesn't pour out...)

As to the gluttony thing: that's the polar opposite of what I'm saying. Gluttony is cheap MacDonald's eaten twice a day; taste is a nice steak with salad (or even have chips with it - if you're not eating for the next 18 hours or so, you don't have to skimp).

BTW, you might wonder how 50g of alcohol a day fits in with my philosophy. The answer is that it used to be well north of 100g a day. It's generally accepted that over 70g a day is the point where you're likely to get alcohol-related diseases and so I considered that 50g with the glutathione supplementation was nicely within the limit. Basically, if you get very drunk or suffer from hangovers, then you've used up your glutathione and the acetaldehyde is wreaking havoc.

Here's a reasonably informative link. The supplementation he describes is pretty much what I take for acetaldehyde management (although there are better ways to take glutathione orally now (liposomal and sublingual), cysteine is taken as N-acetylcysteine, and NADH is pumped-up with our old friend, nicotinamide riboside):

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Old 22.05.2018, 20:24
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Re: New Diabetes trial treatment?

Glutony is where you cave in to your palate and go over reasonable weight. Your 'why not' is my 'why even'. I like the fact that it is ascetic here, where we are. One gets high on sports, hanging out with people, helping, cognition. Stress will pile up on hormonal and enzymatic processes, while mind will look for clever justification of any vice that we pick for compensation. It is impressive you know your limits..if you were me you would challenge and contront the need to come so close to your limits. But I was always somebody to pick the sport I have no talent for just to figure out why. Roller Derby? Anyone?

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Old 22.05.2018, 21:13
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while mind will look for clever justification of any vice that we pick for compensation
Yea, I'm trying to get to the point where rolling back the vice could work. I think people can be eased more into a lifestyle change that's small rather than large. If they then see that it's working, then this can have an effect where they may increase the change or make other changes. (This was my experience with the weight loss which started with very small changes.)

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(Leave that glass alone..I see you)
Yes, I'm quaffing a local Riesling (it's got that 'yeasty' taste of a farmer's wine and is actually very pleasant). The rationale there (like I need a rationale...) is that I only had a Zweierli for lunch and I find that moderate amounts of wine don't affect the fast very much.
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Old 22.05.2018, 23:15
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Re: New Diabetes trial treatment?

I know that by the time you decrease your daily wine supply to 1cl, aka almost wine-tasting sip, you will hedonistically study the flavors instead of needing the booze.

I totally get the small change success theory...we are all creatures of habit. Though if you read up recent stuff on attention, people betting on willpower don't succeed as easily as people simply distracting themselves enough from detrimental habits. Willpower backfires (substantional intentional effort - ie work). Distractions (or simply not giving oneself opportunity) from undesired behavior wins. Effortless doesn't go as much against our automatized self and "reward" chasing.
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I'd say bravo! Just drop the demilitre of wine every day and do a bit of soulsearching about the lack of dopamine you are compensating with your red wine. Fasting is super efficient. You will work easier with your metabolic rate, though, if you lay off the supplements a tad, try it for two weeks. Again, your body thinks it is food. Like sweateners, yet it ain't. It messes with metabolism. Confuses our brain/gut fine balance and appetite reading. In this special spiritually motivated times of fasting, let's get inspired - while people do ramadan and it is not easy - you drop the wine and me coffee. You in? Anyone in? No sugar?
I'd love that. I don't add sugar in tea or coffee anymore, but I like to bake. I think it's better for a kid to have the occasional homemade slice of cake or muffin, than whatever we can buy from the stores. If only I could stay away from this stuff...replace it with, I don't know, Greek yogurt and some fruits mixed in, and maybe frozen. Sprouted brown rice cookies. Things like that...

Re. dopamine - a long hike when you really push your limits, I never felt more relaxed afterwards.

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Necroing, but a new treatment possibility info here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-59095948
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That's great to hear: but they're still diabetic. It'll come back, sooner or later. There is no cure for this condition.
The evidence suggests otherwise. As long as the diet remains healthy and the weight normal, then the body regains its responsiveness to insulin. After a period of time, patients can slowly introduce non-diabetic foods back into their diet, as the Type II diabetes is cured. What they cannot do is fall off the wagon and return to a bad diet or they will relapse. Like the rest of us, a small piece of cake becomes okay as an exceptional treat, but not as a dietary staple...

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Old 30.10.2021, 16:11
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Necroing, but a new treatment possibility info here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-59095948
Although the discussion up to this point was concerning type II diabetes -largely diet related but your link is for diagnosing type I diabetes, a genetic disorder.
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Although the discussion up to this point was concerning type II diabetes -largely diet related but your link is for diagnosing type I diabetes, a genetic disorder.
True, but there are many Type II's on insulin so who knows, maybe it'll help them as well.
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True, but there are many Type II's on insulin so who knows, maybe it'll help them as well.
Possibly, though the insulin mechanism is different in many cases between type 1 and type 2. Type 2 is most often an insulin resistance issue. The line between type 1 and type 2 is more blurred, I think, also.
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The way I read the story this appears to be about T2s that have been misdiagnosed as T1s.

When I was first diagnosed, first T2 and later T1, 49 years ago they said there would be a cure in my lifetime. Well, they better hurry up.

Almost all the diabetic research these days is on t2 treatments, almost nothing on cures. And why would they, they’d be shooting themselves in the foot.
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Re: New Diabetes trial treatment?

I was diagnosed as diabetic around the age of 50 and was treated as T2. I was slightly overweight, around the age to be hit with it and probably too sedentary. I was initially treated as T2 and did all the right things, diet, sport and T2 meds, but the numbers kept going the wrong way.
Finally after about 2 years I went back to one of the diabetologists who had previously treated me, but then disappeared off the radar, who took one look at me and said T1. He then did the tests to confirm his judgement, put me on insulin. Needless to say, I'm still with him.
Becoming T1 at 50 is apparently unusual, often without any clear reason, but that doesn't change the treatment.
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Well they still have no clue what causes T1 and it’s likely to be multiple causes. When I was diagnosed, at 18, they said then that it was unusable to be so late. I was skinny as a rail and weighed 55kg.

I don’t think they are so certain what causes T2 either. Some follow a pattern, some do not.

But T2 is where the money is. The numbers just keep increasing. While T1 numbers are fairly consistent.
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Re: New Diabetes trial treatment?

Is there any evidence that a keto diet doesn't cure T2 diabetes?

https://medium.com/swlh/what-if-they...y-d49c195bf8f5

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You want to prove a negative?

Look up Diabetic Ketoacidosis.
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Look up Diabetic Ketoacidosis.
Why? What's the link with nutritional ketosis to cure T2 diabetes?
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Why? Because Ketoacidosis will kill you, not heal you.
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Why? Because Ketoacidosis will kill you, not heal you.
But what's ketoacidosis got to do with nutritional ketosis to cure T2 diabetes?
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