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The prime example being sugar and the myth that cancer feeds on sugar, that in itself is correct but not the whole story your whole body feeds on sugar so cutting out sugar means you deprive your body of fuel lowering your ability to fight anything, however reducing sugar to daily recommended amount won't kill cancer but it may slow it down as there is no excess sugar for it to feed on.
The only way sugar consumption affects cancers is through consuming too much and becoming obese or overweight. It's the excess fat that triggers cancer and not the sugar. There is strong evidence of this.
There is no evidence for what you are suggesting.
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Old 12.09.2017, 12:09
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No, sugar is not needed to "fight" anything. Dumbed down, sugar is a monosaccharide, which is the most basic carbohydrate. Your body can break down complex carbs into basic ones, which in a simplistic way is better as it doesnt cause insulin spikes.
Sugar is a generic term even monosaccharide is technically a sugar
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yep, did that for about 12 months, damn hard to be honest, but lost significant amounts of fat, but muscle building was a no-go, felt pretty sour for days after the gym. Now I am on a targeted carb cycling and i get the benefits of keto, but still consume carbs around the workouts. Its probably the best of both worlds.
I am doing the carb cycling on and off. Also, intermitent fasting. I just listen to my body and see which fits me better at that time.
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Old 12.09.2017, 22:53
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Re: Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

My wife took the Swiss Qube diet for a week and lost 4 kilos.
Basically you eat these little cubes, one every two hours, so you never feel hungry!

They are balanced so you eat 1,000 calories a day and it is claimed they contain everything important your body needs.

Seemed to work well and a couple of months later she has not returned to her original weight.

I doubt she will do it again because she did not like the taste although there are several different flavours.

Being Switzerland it is not cheap, circa CHF 160 for a one week course.

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The only way sugar consumption affects cancers is through consuming too much and becoming obese or overweight. It's the excess fat that triggers cancer and not the sugar. There is strong evidence of this.
There is no evidence for what you are suggesting.
I'll guess that's why Markarina wrote "myth that cancer feeds on sugar"
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Old 13.09.2017, 00:23
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My wife took the Swiss Qube diet for a week and lost 4 kilos.
Did they stay off?
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My wife took the Swiss Qube diet for a week and lost 4 kilos.
Basically you eat these little cubes, one every two hours, so you never feel hungry!

They are balanced so you eat 1,000 calories a day and it is claimed they contain everything important your body needs.

Seemed to work well and a couple of months later she has not returned to her original weight.

I doubt she will do it again because she did not like the taste although there are several different flavours.

Being Switzerland it is not cheap, circa CHF 160 for a one week course.

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4 kilos in a mere week? That is not real fat loss then, mostly water and waste.
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Old 13.09.2017, 09:43
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I'll guess that's why Markarina wrote "myth that cancer feeds on sugar"
Read the bit that I was replying to which was (and I'll quote it again here):

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however reducing sugar to daily recommended amount won't kill cancer but it may slow it down as there is no excess sugar for it to feed on.
There is no evidence for this.


People don't like it when they're told - and most don't realise it anyway but being obese causes a lot of cancers because of the internal body fat and not because they are eating sugar.
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Read the bit that I was replying to which was (and I'll quote it again here):



There is no evidence for this.


People don't like it when they're told - and most don't realise it anyway but being obese causes a lot of cancers because of the internal body fat and not because they are eating sugar.
Only the evidence you quoted in that excess sugar gets turned to fat so reducing sugar to a recommend daily amount means you are less likely to put on more fat, which by your definition means you are less likely to develop cancer and may slow down existing cancer.

Essentially we are both saying the same thing but from a different perspective.
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Old 13.09.2017, 11:28
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Only the evidence you quoted in that excess sugar gets turned to fat so reducing sugar to a recommend daily amount means you are less likely to put on more fat, which by your definition means you are less likely to develop cancer and may slow down existing cancer.
True, but you could also get fat from eating too much fat (burger and fries) for example although gallons of coca cola appears to be the easiest way.
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Old 13.09.2017, 11:33
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No, sugar is not needed to "fight" anything. Dumbed down, sugar is a monosaccharide, which is the most basic carbohydrate. Your body can break down complex carbs into basic ones, which in a simplistic way is better as it doesnt cause insulin spikes.
Strictly speaking, what most people refer to as "sugar" is a disaccharide .
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I am doing the Ketogenic diet. I eat high fat, 20gr carbs per day. Best thing ever for my weightloss
Interesting, I did a little research on this and decided to follow it for a few weeks (as I only want to lose about 3 kg it should quickly show whether it works or not with me).
I remember, only dropping the bread used to make a difference so this time I'll drop all the carbs .... gonna miss my potatos though.
Thanks for the input.
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Old 13.09.2017, 11:51
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Re: Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

If you ask any proper dietician (not "nutritionist", anyone can call themselves a nutritionist), they will say that any diet which heavily restricts a specific food type is potentially dangerous and that rapid weight loss is not recommended. Eat a balanced diet, try smaller portions and exercise regularly. It's not rocket science.
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Old 13.09.2017, 11:53
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Re: Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

Seeing TV shows and reading articles about sugar and fat, etc., I can't figure out how the "excess sugar is turned to fat in the liver". Does anyone know how this works? I can't figure out the kind of chemical reaction that it would take for that to happen. Or is it just a turn of phrase?
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Old 13.09.2017, 12:07
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Seeing TV shows and reading articles about sugar and fat, etc., I can't figure out how the "excess sugar is turned to fat in the liver". Does anyone know how this works? I can't figure out the kind of chemical reaction that it would take for that to happen. Or is it just a turn of phrase?
It isn't, it is converted to fat in adipose (fat) tissue, unless you have a problem and then you get "fatty liver disease".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipogenesis
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Old 13.09.2017, 12:17
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It's not rocket science.

It's not rocket science but it's a bit of a taboo subject and has to be treated in such a manner as to not be deemed an affront that people generally keep quiet.

It's also a time-bomb on our health services and hence on our pockets through insurance.
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Old 13.09.2017, 13:05
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Did they stay off?
Hard to answer exactly because after finishing the Qube she embarked on a more "normal" diet (basically eating less and lots of walking) and lost a further 6 Kg over 3 months.
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