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Old 15.05.2009, 21:42
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Re: Ticks in the forest, and vaccination

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OMG...!

Let me try next time, I've assisted at vaccinating hundreds of Swiss soldiers with NeisVac and I also can tell belly and upper arm apart!
Don't worry the guy who did it was a doctor. Consultant even.

It was my own fault I told him subcutaneous not intramuscular (next time I'll read the instructions!). Both can be in the arm. Still gets into the blood stream though so no biggy. Sounds worse then it actually is!
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Old 15.05.2009, 22:02
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So what is actually happening there? Does that tick actually bite? Because what does stick into the skin seems to be their head and some of their "claws" ... and this is what causes the itch ... how can you not feel something which sticks into your skin?
These clever insects first secrete an anesthetic. That numbs the subsequent bite.
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Old 15.05.2009, 22:05
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you must be a sensitive type then sada! (c;

occasionally i would notice them crawling on my skin, arms usually, and brush them off. but if i just noticed the bite i would leave them for a bit, if i could bare the itching, as i find them easier to pull after they gorge a bit. to but a human logic behind that: before biting they are obviously hungry and will hold on with more intensity compared to if they are feed a little or actually full.
Not a good strategy. The longer the ticks are attached, the more risk of infection.
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Not a good strategy. The longer the ticks are attached, the more risk of infection.
this was for my irish youth. here with the risk, i fully agree with you.
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Old 15.05.2009, 22:36
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oh they do get it. poor youngens. happened to kid a good friend of mine north of lausanne. as for the vaccine i suppose they have so much other vaccines running in their system this would have been too much. as DB pointed out he is just felling 'okay' after a jab on tuesday so it a pretty agressive vaccine.
I had no problem`s with the first jab, but the second 1 i could not lift my arm the next day hurt like hell so i would not give the vaccination to a young child, my daughter was 6 when she had them and had to take a day off school because of the pain.
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Re: Ticks in the forest, and vaccination

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The vaccination isn't against Lyme's disease. That must be treated after an infected bite has been discovered.

The vaccination is for tick-borne encephalitis, and, as Bill Door said, it's a bloody aggressive vaccine.

Better than the alternative, though, I'm sure.
Thanks DB. I know the vaccine is for encephalitis but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me in the past that young kids, if bitten by an infected-tick, do not get seriously ill but adults do.. and so do not get the vaccine until they reach a certain age. That is why I asked about Lyme disease as I have never heard anything regarding kids and that one. Will now check all out for sure with the Doctor next week - my son is 5, the baby is 1 and we plan on doing quite a bit of camping this year.
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Old 17.05.2009, 15:36
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Tick vaccine is free for residents in Canton Zurich, which is a danger zone. Different rules in other Cantons.
Goldtop,

Could you please advice where one should go in Zurich to get this free vaccination? Or is it still through the GP but with no bill to pay ?

Many thanks,
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Old 17.05.2009, 18:16
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Goldtop,

Could you please advice where one should go in Zurich to get this free vaccination? Or is it still through the GP but with no bill to pay ?

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Most persons go to their GP. You need 3 shots, the third and last about a year after the second.

There are also vaccination campaigns in schools, universities and for forest professionals.
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For all newcomers Ticks (German word Zecken) are rife in the Northern part of Switzerland. [/URL]
One thing I would love to know, the climate in Switzerland, is roughly the same, north, west or east - so what is the catalyst, why are these horrible creatures rife in the north??
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Old 17.05.2009, 19:21
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One thing I would love to know, the climate in Switzerland, is roughly the same, north, west or east - so what is the catalyst, why are these horrible creatures rife in the north??
The northern ticks are infected and therefore dangerous for humans. The ticks elsewhere in Switzerland are not yet infected. However, the danger zone is steadily enlarging.

Ticks did not survive above about 1200m altitude. Another reason why the Alpine regions of Central Switzerland are relatively uninfected. Meanwhile (global warming?) the upper limit is rising.
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Re: Ticks in the forest, and vaccination

How OR what infects the ticks in the first place?
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Re: Ticks in the forest, and vaccination

These products can be found at your pharmacy.
It has also an anti tick protection which has been tested and approved by the Neuchâtel University and seems to be pretty efficient.
This green one can be used for children.

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These products can be found at your pharmacy.
It has also an anti tick protection which has been tested and approved by the Neuchâtel University and seems to be pretty efficient.
This green one can be used for children.

That's good stuff that Anti-Brum. I even had to take bottles of the (adult) stuff over to my friend in Quebec because she is so impressed with its effectiveness against most nasty, bitey, stingy things and not just ticks.
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Seems like I must buy some of that stuff.
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Old 18.05.2009, 21:46
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How OR what infects the ticks in the first place?
I am not a biologist. My guess is it takes 3 to tango:
  1. The ticks
  2. The bacteria/virus
  3. The mammals (foxes?, sheep?, us?)
Possible cycle: Ticks bite migrant infected mammal. Tick becomes infected. Tick bites other mammals, which are then infected. And so on ...
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Re: Ticks in the forest, and vaccination

how's your french?

number of cases on the rise.

http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/s...uisse-25524568
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Re: Ticks in the forest, and vaccination

My wife just came up with this discovery. When she takes the dog for a walk in forest areas where there are abundant anthills, there are no ticks on Fido's fur. The inverse theory seems to apply as well. Having given up biology as a subject very early at Grammar School, I'm not claiming that the ants have a significant role to play in ridding forests of ticks, but has anyone else noticed similar results?

I'm thinking of having a Gladiator style duel with the next tick we can find and seeing what the ants do against it.
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My wife just came up with this discovery. When she takes the dog for a walk in forest areas where there are abundant anthills, there are no ticks on Fido's fur. The inverse theory seems to apply as well. Having given up biology as a subject very early at Grammar School, I'm not claiming that the ants have a significant role to play in ridding forests of ticks, but has anyone else noticed similar results?

I'm thinking of having a Gladiator style duel with the next tick we can find and seeing what the ants do against it.
See this publication: "Ant predation on different life stages of two Australian ticks"
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g4k3236267553738/
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For all newcomers Ticks (German word Zecken) are rife in the Northern part of Switzerland. My two young boys were walking in the forest today and we managed to find one tick on each of them. What I was astonished about was how small the ticks were, but dark in colour, so they do stand out! They were really small, about the size of a pin head and if we weren't looking for them we would have missed them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick

A map of where ticks can be found is shown here: http://www.zecken.ch/Karten/karten.html

If untreated tick bites can lead to Encephalitis or swelling of the brain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick-bo...goencephalitis

It is recomended that adults living in affected areas are vaccinated against ticks. According to our GP, children should be not vaccinated until they are 7 years of age.

We have known people who have ended up in hospital and have been off work for months because of tick bites!

According to my better half you can get a tick spray from the pharmacy!

Tips on removing ticks http://www.ch.ch/private/00987/01052...x.html?lang=en

More info http://alsace.sante.gouv.fr/drass/sa...fsmesuisse.pdf
Thank you so much for the link how to remove ticks, we have spent the afternoon, and evening with friends in the forest, building a fire and grilling, we just checked the kids and my son had 2 ticks in his head, with your link i could remove them safely
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Old 31.05.2009, 23:14
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Thank you so much for the link how to remove ticks, we have spent the afternoon, and evening with friends in the forest, building a fire and grilling, we just checked the kids and my son had 2 ticks in his head, with your link i could remove them safely
Darwinian selection causes tick proliferation at forest picnic places, benches, playgrounds, vita parcours, etc. Take care!
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