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Train conductors have the power to impose fines on people who are not in possession of a valid ticket and they are not normally accompanied by security staff.

AFAIK, they are at night.

And there are a lot more smokers than people without tickets.

And don't forget: smoking is an addiction....
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They could also mandate that people smell nice and only eat organic food (because karma).
Your example is ridiculous. I have to wait at the train station for my train and smoke is disturbing me when I pass by. As a non-smoker I am affected and become a passive smoker due to addicted people. This has to end. If you want to smoke, go do it without poisoning other people. Smoking should be banned in all public areas.
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Old 11.01.2018, 15:17
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Your example is ridiculous. I have to wait at the train station for my train and smoke is disturbing me when I pass by. As a non-smoker I am affected and become a passive smoker due to addicted people. This has to end. If you want to smoke, go do it without poisoning other people. Smoking should be banned in all public areas.
On the whole, despite what people say on here, the non-smoking rules are pretty much in line with the rest of the surrounding countries.

Standing on an open air platform with people smoking around you in the open air is not going to count as "passive smoking" in any scientific, medical or even meaningful sense. Train platforms indoors are non-smoking anyway.

I'm a lifelong NON-smoker by the way.
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Standing on an open air platform with people smoking around you in the open air is not going to count as "passive smoking" in any scientific, medical or even meaningful sense. Train platforms indoors are non-smoking anyway.
When I stand next to someone smoking, I am inhaling the smoke coming out of their cigarette. Do you want to conduct a scientific experiment to measure the amount of smoke that is absorbed by the lungs in order to qualify someone as a passive smoker? What is your scientific definition?
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

For the record, I've never smoked anything in my life.

I also hate it, with a passion.

But I also want rules that are sensible and practical to enforce.

I don't want to end up in a situation like with via sicura, where even minor speeding-violations can incur a (potentially huge) fine.

Personally, I'd start with stopping the sale of tobacco on SBB-premises.

How can you allow the sale, but not the consumption?
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

i spent some time in zurich HB on friday night and was amazed that despite being open and huge, the whole area still reeked of cigarette smoke wherever i stood.
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Personally, I'd start with stopping the sale of tobacco on SBB-premises.

How can you allow the sale, but not the consumption?
That would lead to not having Kiosks at the train stations as they make considerable amount of their sales by dragging smokers to their stores.
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That would lead to not having Kiosks at the train stations as they make considerable amount of their sales by dragging smokers to their stores.
Well, that's why I consider it a bit absurd to prohibit the consumption but not the sale.
Or rather, just hypocritical.

Restaurants also suffered a decline in customer-traffic and money spent when the smoking ban in restaurants came into force.
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On the whole, despite what people say on here, the non-smoking rules are pretty much in line with the rest of the surrounding countries.
In Germany and Austria smoking is only allowed at designated smoking areas at train stations. France & Italy are third world countries.
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

Complain all you like but just get used to it. There'll be no action without any financial incentive. The incentive for the SBB is only that they won't have to clear the butts out of the tracts any more.
Switzerland is the land of the smoker and smoker sympathisers. There are non-smoking zones in front and back of the university hospital but every time I pass by they have people smoking in them. Sometimes people stand inside the hospital near the doors smoking, no doubt thinking that is close enough. Very often it's actually the hospital staff doing it. Nothing is done about it. If I ever say anything I get told to piss off.
Resign yourself to there never being any solution and consider moving to a more advanced nation like Cambodia.
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Old 12.01.2018, 10:39
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The incentive for the SBB is only that they won't have to clear the butts out of the tracts any more.
Given the cost of cleaning, that is an important incentive.
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Old 12.01.2018, 10:48
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In Germany and Austria smoking is only allowed at designated smoking areas at train stations. France & Italy are third world countries.
Rome and Milan main train stations are beautifully clean and don't stink.

To quote Trump, Zurich Hbf is in comparison, a shith*le.
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Old 12.01.2018, 10:51
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Well, that's why I consider it a bit absurd to prohibit the consumption but not the sale.
Or rather, just hypocritical.
Why? They sell condoms too, but a platform full of shagging couples would raise eyebrows (though arguably cause less polarisation than smoking).
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Rome and Milan main train stations are beautifully clean and don't stink.

To quote Trump, Zurich Hbf is in comparison, a shith*le.
Where does it stink?

There's a constant (frankly feckin' freezing!) breeze running over the platforms up top and below decks it's non-smoking anyway.

Yes, you get a whiff of takeaway and unwashed commuters if you're unlucky and it's busy, but it's one of the busiest railway stations in Europe with travellers from every corner of the continent travelling to every corner of the continent and you're expecting it to be like Auntie's lounge?

I think some people end up more Swiss than the Swiss, to be honest. You could leave passive-aggressive Post it notes on the bits you think aren't up to scratch...

On the plus side - the bogs are spotless.
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Where does it stink?
It smells like an old ashtray.

I guess you must have got used to it but you only need to visit a few other countries to realise how much it stinks here.
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It smells like an old ashtray.

I guess you must have got used to it but you only need to visit a few other countries to realise how much it stinks here.
I think the point is that it doesn't smell any different to other stations of an equivalent size or throughput. Gare du Nord is probably the closest (if not busier) and has a similar level of whiff, noise and chaos.

In reality though, if I'm going anywhere by train, I arrive 5-10 mins (max) before the train leaves, get on the train and leave, and don't spend half an afternoon sniffing corners and running my finger over dusty areas.
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

As a current pregnant lady, I'd like to add my 2 cents here. It has been a daily task for me to have to duck and dodge smokers at every public transport. station. Waiting for the bus, tram, or train, I am constantly running away from smoke. Naturally the passive smoker argument is there, but atm the biggest driving force is the fact that I like to avoid puking whenever possible.

Smoking zones and lounges could be helpful but ultimately I think people just need to be more considerate to others around them. It's kinda like farts... why would you intentionally force people to smell your farts? If you arrive early enough for a train, smoke (fart) outdoors ahead of time. As the train approaches, don't take a last huge puff and then exhale (fart) as you're stepping into the train. Don't sit down on the only available seating puffing (farting) away. In other words... fart far away from me PLEASE!
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As a current pregnant lady, I'd like to add my 2 cents here. It has been a daily task for me to have to duck and dodge smokers at every public transport. station. Waiting for the bus, tram, or train, I am constantly running away from smoke. Naturally the passive smoker argument is there, but atm the biggest driving force is the fact that I like to avoid puking whenever possible.

Just puke on their shoes.

That'll teach 'em
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I think the point is that it doesn't smell any different to other stations of an equivalent size or throughput. Gare du Nord is probably the closest (if not busier) and has a similar level of whiff, noise and chaos.
And I'm saying it does (although I haven't specifically been to Gare de Nord for ages).

Anyway, is it a competition to see who can have the smelliest stations?

I thought the Swiss were proud of their clean and supposedly non-stinky country?
It's the main point of some if not most of their global advertising.

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In reality though, if I'm going anywhere by train, I arrive 5-10 mins (max) before the train leaves, get on the train and leave, and don't spend half an afternoon sniffing corners and running my finger over dusty areas.
Grow up.
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And I'm saying it does (although I haven't specifically been to Gare de Nord for ages).

Anyway, is it a competition to see who can have the smelliest stations?
No, just trying to give you a little perspective but you have this history of irrational-dog-with-a-bone (slightly funny, slightly endearing) attitude about Swiss smoking so I guess any perspective is lost on you.

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I thought the Swiss were proud of their clean and supposedly non-stinky country?
"Visit our non-stinky railway station". Nah, don't think so. Which tourist sites do you visit??

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Really?? If you say so.

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Grow up.
Oh dear...
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