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Old 17.01.2018, 15:24
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

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Just puke on their shoes.

That'll teach 'em
Hmmm, just might have to give this a try...
It certainly worked on the lady eating heissi marroni the other day..oops.
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Old 17.01.2018, 15:32
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No, just trying to give you a little perspective but you have this history of irrational-dog-with-a-bone (slightly funny, slightly endearing) attitude about Swiss smoking so I guess any perspective is lost on you.
I get a lot of PMs from people thanking me for the smoking posts they dare not post themselves due to the Swiss forum 'Police' who stamp down on any criticism.

As for the smoking referendums and other smoking decisions -people vote how they want it even if it's not for the improvement of health of the nation and a more pleasant place for tourists and locals alike.

(At lease the lobsters had someone to speak up for them as the people weren't going to).

As far as I am aware, the most prolific 'real' Swiss posters on this forum (who also seem to be the most pro-smoking) don't have children of their own so don't consider the way they act as harmful to the next generation as basically, they don't give a s**t).
Again, selfishness.






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Old 17.01.2018, 15:48
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I get a lot of PMs from people thanking me for the smoking posts they dare not post themselves due to the Swiss forum 'Police' who stamp down on any criticism.

As for the smoking referendums and other smoking decisions -people vote how they want it even if it's not for the improvement of health of the nation and a more pleasant place for tourists and locals alike.

(At lease the lobsters had someone to speak up for them as the people weren't going to).

As far as I am aware, the most prolific 'real' Swiss posters on this forum (who also seem to be the most pro-smoking) don't have children of their own so don't consider the way they act as harmful to the next generation as basically, they don't give a s**t).
Again, selfishness.
As I said - all about perspective, and you were the one that suddenly decided to go off-topic and link lobsters with smoking on a totally unrelated thread so that really speaks volumes about your sense of perspective.

None of my posts are particularly for or against smoking. I don't smoke, I don't like people smoking indoors near to me and I certainly don't want people smoking in the vicinity of my son indoors. BUT I don't really care if people do want to smoke and indeed have a modicum of tolerance in the process. Mainly because I never feel comfortable coming across as one of the "holier than thou" silly-billies with only a fleeting grasp of reality once the dander is up and the argument thin.

With that in mind, I am not the one having an EF epic meltdown every time I see someone smoking in a bus shelter then denounce the whole tourist industry on the back of it.

As I said - perspective.
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Old 17.01.2018, 16:03
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With that in mind, I am not the one having an EF epic meltdown every time I see someone smoking in a bus shelter then denounce the whole tourist industry on the back of it.

As I said - perspective.
I don't either. We even have an ashtray at home and friends/family who visit are welcome to, and do smoke on the terrace.

But this thread is not about bus shelters or smoking at home. It's about SBB stations and in my experience (and in the experience of friends and family who visit from lesser countries abroad), the SBB stations here are grotty and smelly and stink like old ashtrays especially compared with many* others in Europe.
*many, not all.

Now if you and others insist on calling my wife, my friends and my family liars (or whatever you are insinuating) then I suggest that you et al have the problem and not me.

As for your argument - other countries stations smell too? Isn't that a bit if a childish answer?

Anyway - why do you care so much about what I think and write?
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Old 17.01.2018, 16:23
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I don't either. We even have an ashtray at home and friends/family who visit are welcome to, and do smoke on the terrace.
Err... Yay?

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But this thread is not about bus shelters or smoking at home. It's about SBB stations and in my experience (and in the experience of friends and family who visit from lesser countries abroad), the SBB stations here are grotty and smelly and stink like old ashtrays especially compared with many* others in Europe.
*many, not all.
"Lesser countries". Seriously?

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Now if you and others insist on calling my wife, my friends and my family liars (or whatever you are insinuating) then I suggest that you et al have the problem and not me.
Umm.. Perspective? Not sure I mentioned it already.

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As for your argument - other countries stations smell too? Isn't that a bit if a childish answer?
Why is comparison childish? Is it because it puts it uncomfortably into perspective and Switzerland isn't THAT bad compared to most places.

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Anyway - why do you care so much about what I think and write?
Dunno - something the same to the PMs you get from your fan club?
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Old 17.01.2018, 16:47
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Why is comparison childish? Is it because it puts it uncomfortably into perspective and Switzerland isn't THAT bad compared to most places.
If a politician whose party was in power was questioned about the terrible health service of their country, how would people react if the politician reacted "Well other countries have got a bad health service too!"

Please explain why you think that isn't a childish or immature response?
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Old 17.01.2018, 16:47
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Train conductors have the power to impose fines on people who are not in possession of a valid ticket and they are not normally accompanied by security staff.
I understand SBB uniforms hold Transport Police powers.

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... there's no positive side to having smoke filled stations a la 1970s.
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Personally, I'd start with stopping the sale of tobacco on SBB-premises.
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Switzerland is the land of the smoker and smoker sympathisers.
Big tobacco spends a lot lobbying here. Money talks. To have a second round of inconveniencing smokers after the indoors ban would signal defeat to the lobbies. And that would end the gravy train.
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Old 17.01.2018, 16:55
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I don't either. We even have an ashtray at home and friends/family who visit are welcome to, and do smoke on the terrace.

But this thread is not about bus shelters or smoking at home. It's about SBB stations and in my experience (and in the experience of friends and family who visit from lesser countries abroad), the SBB stations here are grotty and smelly and stink like old ashtrays especially compared with many* others in Europe.
*many, not all.

Now if you and others insist on calling my wife, my friends and my family liars (or whatever you are insinuating) then I suggest that you et al have the problem and not me.

As for your argument - other countries stations smell too? Isn't that a bit if a childish answer?

Anyway - why do you care so much about what I think and write?
You know, I thought about it quite a bit..because the smoking obsession doesn't make sense considering how otherwise granola this place is in most other stuff. One gets confronted with the issue all the time, and I thought post soviet smoking was worse. Nope. But then I figured - it is not the industry present here, nor selfrighteousness, cool factor. I actually think the society does not support it here nor excuses..but tolerates it as an addiction, a disease, knowing you cannot decrease it unless the smokers really want it themselves. I think the attitude is more as towards ill folks who cannot stop? Dunno. Maybe the stats on healthcare cost should be more widely distributed..
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Old 17.01.2018, 16:57
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If a politician whose party was in power was questioned about the terrible health service of their country, how would people react if the politician reacted "Well other countries have got a bad health service too!"

Please explain why you think that isn't a childish or immature response?
What is childish or immature about putting things into perspective and using examples to achieve that?

Plus, why are you expecting me to disprove something that you have convinced yourself of?


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Old 17.01.2018, 17:08
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What is childish or immature about putting things into perspective and using examples to achieve that?
Because, by definition, it's 'your' perspective. I have my own perspective too and it's different to yours.
How many main-line stations in Europe have you actually used recently?

I can also back mine up with figures (the amount people smoke here compared with other countries - not the number of people who smoke) and anecdotal evidence.
My doctor who has just spent the last twenty years as a GP in the U.K. was shocked when he arrived here recently at the number of people who smoked (and the number of smoking -related illnesses he had to deal with).

But I guess, in your view, he ought to put it in perspective and compare our Swiss town with Vladivostok.
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Old 17.01.2018, 17:11
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Because, by definition, it's 'your' perspective. I have my own perspective too and it's different to yours.
There you go..!

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I understand SBB uniforms hold Transport Police powers.
That's a specialised group of SBB employees only, a few hundred, some 1% of all SBB employees.
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

The thing is -smokers stink-their clothes,their skin,their breath and this naturally permeates the whole of the HB
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i spent some time in zurich HB on friday night and was amazed that despite being open and huge, the whole area still reeked of cigarette smoke wherever i stood.
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

I went into Geneva on Tuesday, while waiting at Nyon station I counted over 50 cigarette butts on Platform 1 and saw hundreds more on the tracks.

I’m tempted to follow a smoker home and empty my rubbish bin on their driveway.
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

When I used to ride a Vespa I used to get hit with cigarette butts from the car in front me on a regular basis. The police need to start handing out massive fines for littering in Switzerland, no matter if its a pet bottle or cigarette butt.
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

I was also today at Sihl City Zürichwondering what all these white spots are on the ground. I think they are remains from chewing gum. A ban on this would also be welcome. Who wants all this shit on the ground from peoples mouths!
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I went into Geneva on Tuesday, while waiting at Nyon station I counted over 50 cigarette butts on Platform 1 and saw hundreds more on the tracks.

I’m tempted to follow a smoker home and empty my rubbish bin on their driveway.
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Old 26.01.2018, 17:48
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Re: A perennial EF favourite: smoking ban in SBB

Chewing gum prevents pot holes forming.
While we are on the subject, there should be a ban on verbal diarrhoea - If I could buy E cigarettes with real nicotine in Switzerland, I would not smoke the ones with filters and there would be no smell or discarded waste.
The Swiss, in their "wisdom" have decided to ban these.

In England they are encouraged by the NHS as being healthier and are more environmentally friendly. (and an aid to stopping the addiction)
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E cigarettes are for " girls"!!
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Chewing gum prevents pot holes forming.
While we are on the subject, there should be a ban on verbal diarrhoea - If I could buy E cigarettes with real nicotine in Switzerland, I would not smoke the ones with filters and there would be no smell or discarded waste.
The Swiss, in their "wisdom" have decided to ban these.

In England they are encouraged by the NHS as being healthier and are more environmentally friendly. (and an aid to stopping the addiction)
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Chewing gum prevents pot holes forming.
While we are on the subject, there should be a ban on verbal diarrhoea - If I could buy E cigarettes with real nicotine in Switzerland, I would not smoke the ones with filters and there would be no smell or discarded waste.
The Swiss, in their "wisdom" have decided to ban these.

In England they are encouraged by the NHS as being healthier and are more environmentally friendly. (and an aid to stopping the addiction)
freevap.ch will help you smell better and cut down on waste
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