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What is high Blood pressure?

Acting for the first time in 14 years, the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology redefined high blood pressure as a reading of 130 over 80, down from 140 over 90.
The change means that 46 percent of U.S. adults, many of them under the age of 45, now will be considered hypertensive.
Under the previous guideline, 32 percent of U.S. adults had high blood pressure.

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important to know is that the overweight limit stays at 175 kg.
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Old 13.11.2017, 23:39
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Re: What is high Blood pressure?

To be fair, the article says the idea is not to put more people on medication but to have them do more with diet and exercise. Knowing how docs (and patients) in the U.S. tend to operate though...I see many more prescriptions coming soon.
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Reminded me to take a reading.. I seem to be ok @ 128 / 68 - 62 bpm


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KA-CHING! Loads of lovely HOT CHA-CHA for the Pharma shareholder.
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KA-CHING! Loads of lovely HOT CHA-CHA for the Pharma shareholder.
Yes. I also see this as the only incentive.

Sell more drugs, and possibly exercise equipment and gym memberships (or at least video's of over-happy bouncy people)

And to increase the takes for "counselors", when depression kick in.
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Or live more healthy...
From the American Heart Association web site;

Changes You Can Make to Manage High Blood Pressure
  • Eat a well-balanced, low-salt diet.
  • Limit alcohol.
  • Enjoy regular physical activity.
  • Maintain a healthy weight.
  • Take your medications properly.

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From the American Heart Association web site;

Changes You Can Make to Manage High Blood Pressure
  • Eat a well-balanced, low-salt diet.
  • Limit alcohol.
  • Enjoy regular physical activity.
  • Maintain a healthy weight.
  • Take your medications properly.

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Notice the last point
If you keep a healthy life-style, your chances of developing High-blood pressure are lower, hence no/lower need for medications.
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important to know is that the overweight limit stays at 175 kg.
Indeed, lol.

There "might" just be a connection though. Of course honni soit qui mal y pense...


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To be fair, the article says the idea is not to put more people on medication but to have them do more with diet and exercise. Knowing how docs (and patients) in the U.S. tend to operate though...I see many more prescriptions coming soon
Well, one idea might be to just start with selling food that is actually food... But why start with (one of a few) cause(s) when you can tackle symptoms.

Not saying pharma is blameless, particularly in the US, but that this here is possible is partly systemic and well, why wouldn't they react to an increasing demand... If some people (well like 60%+ of the population) in the US (and elsewhere) prefer to not move around at all all day but instead throw insane amounts of crappy food down their throats, well, that's really their own fault. Pharma does nothing but react to that, really. Why wouldn't they - private industry, goal = make money.
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Old 14.11.2017, 12:05
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If you keep a healthy life-style, your chances of developing High-blood pressure are lower, hence no/lower need for medications.
From the Mayo Clinic "For most adults, there's no identifiable cause of high blood pressure."
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From the Mayo Clinic "For most adults, there's no identifiable cause of high blood pressure."
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Just because the cause isn't specifically identifiable doesn't mean there isn't one. For most illnesses, there is no clearly identifiable one and only cause.

This is purely about risk factors. Lack of exercise and a crappy diet = risk of becoming overweight or obese. Overweight or obesity = risk of developing high blood pressure. Same logic as: smoking doesn't inevitably cause cancer - but it increases the risk of getting it. Overweight, lack of exercise don't inevitably cause high blood pressure, but they increase the risk of getting it. Genetics and age are other aspects, however with the increasing amount of 40-45-year-olds developing high BP, one can hardly say "age" is the factor. So of course there must be others, even if they're not clearly identifiable, as it's probably usually a combination of several things.
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Old 14.11.2017, 12:18
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Marton, a few months ago I would have agreed with you - even though the article does state that the risk factors do not change, and that no additional medication is likely to be prescribed. The idea is to increase awareness of how dangerous high blood pressure can be in the long-term if it's not kept in-check.

However, having been diagnosed this July with previously unnoticed and untreated high blood pressure - around an average 195/130 at rest (all my other values are good) - following a particularly stressful and lengthy work situation, I wish I'd have caught it sooner.

Especially as I suffered a TIA (Transient Ischemic Attack - commonly known as a mini-stroke) 2 weeks ago. It's a frightening experience, and the risks of another stroke soon extremely high. Luckily I'm getting the right medication now, which will greatly reduce this risk.

HBP is not known as "the silent killer" for nothing...
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Run as fast as you like but you still wont escape from your genes.
I know a lot of people who are fit, don't smoke, get plenty of exercise, perfect weight, etc., but have high blood pressure since late 30s/early 40s.

It certainly runs in families.

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Old 14.11.2017, 13:08
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Re: What is high Blood pressure?

I bought an upper arm blood pressure monitor and measured my BP, and recorded the results over a month.

I found that the whole body position affects the results, not just crossing the legs.

I found the lowest results were achievable when I sat down at a table,
connect the monitor. Calm down, & wait a few minutes.
Sit in a relaxed position with hands flat on the table, start the monitor, and
place both hands back on table, don't move nor talk during measurement.

Surprisingly when you visit the doctor, none of these precautions are taken.
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Re: What is high Blood pressure?

here are five excellent homeopathic cures for high blood pressure:

https://www.homeopathicdoctor.co.in/...lood-pressure/

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I bought an upper arm blood pressure monitor and measured my BP, and recorded the results over a month.

I found that the whole body position affects the results, not just crossing the legs.

I found the lowest results were achievable when I sat down at a table,
connect the monitor. Calm down, & wait a few minutes.
Sit in a relaxed position with hands flat on the table, start the monitor, and
place both hands back on table, don't move nor talk during measurement.

Surprisingly when you visit the doctor, none of these precautions are taken.
Sbrinz, you can see these instructions in the manual of pretty much any blood pressure monitor you buy. You did leave 1 other variable -
the time of day the measurement is taken. Yes, if your purpose is to create a trend of exact measurements over a period of time you do need to measure consistently and small variation will tend to matter. In a doctor's office the purpose is completely different - it is not an issue with exactness as it is with a general level. I.e. the doctor wants to ensure your blood pressure is normal and is less concerned whether the measurement is 72.3 or 72.5. If you happen to run up the stairs to the 5th floor and your blood pressure was immediately taken and it showed a normal level, then waiting to calm down, crossing legs and placing your left hand flat on the table won't produce any further meaningful information. Now, it will be another story if your blood pressure measured outside of normal level when you ran up the stairs.
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here are five excellent homeopathic cures for high blood pressure:

https://www.homeopathicdoctor.co.in/...lood-pressure/

good luck!
Haven't we been through this before?
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having been diagnosed this July with previously unnoticed and untreated high blood pressure - around an average 195/130 at rest (all my other values are good) - following a particularly stressful and lengthy work situation, I wish I'd have caught it sooner.
Similar happened to me, except I was at around 230 when my wife insisted I see the doctor. (no wonder I had been feeling 'funny')

Ironically, my other stuff (cholesrterol, etc.) is as perfect as one could wish, and I almost broke the stress machine as they couldn't get it past 11!

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Marton, a few months ago I would have agreed with you - even though the article does state that the risk factors do not change, and that no additional medication is likely to be prescribed. The idea is to increase awareness of how dangerous high blood pressure can be in the long-term if it's not kept in-check.

However, having been diagnosed this July with previously unnoticed and untreated high blood pressure - around an average 195/130 at rest (all my other values are good) - following a particularly stressful and lengthy work situation, I wish I'd have caught it sooner.

Especially as I suffered a TIA (Transient Ischemic Attack - commonly known as a mini-stroke) 2 weeks ago. It's a frightening experience, and the risks of another stroke soon extremely high. Luckily I'm getting the right medication now, which will greatly reduce this risk.

HBP is not known as "the silent killer" for nothing...
I too have HBP and take medication despite when I was 55 I had a heart stress test and they told me I was in the top 5% of my age group for fitness.

I just wonder why nobody questions redefining high blood pressure as a reading of 130 over 80. Using this definition then around half the population has HBP so you start to wonder if they are taking the p#ss?

You do agree 195/130 is a very long way away from 130/80; what is the point of frightening people with this new lower definition?

There seems to be little real scientific research to back this new number? More and more often the medical profession is telling us what are safe and unsafe levels in different areas with little research then only to issue new and different guidance later.
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