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Re: Abortion covered by health insurance?

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.... I don't see why ....
Truthfully written.
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Old 16.04.2018, 16:24
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Other than for rape victims and women who are medically unable to have children due a condition found during their pregnancy, I don't see why the tax payer should have to fork out for women to have an abortion.

Pregnancy, like AIDS, is the most avoidable condition in the developed world.
I would agree on this one, but if males refuse to wear a condom or whatever, don't know how your argument can stand. In an ideal world, maybe.

No, it's not a hashtag thread, btw. But I can understand some situations and totally agree with doropfiz.

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Truthfully written.
Nah, probably more like playing the devil's advocate. I like to believe he didn't really think it through.
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Old 16.04.2018, 16:25
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I would agree on this one, but if males refuse to wear a condom or whatever, don't know how your argument can stand. In an ideal world, maybe.
If a male refuses to wear a condom then the female should refuse to have sex. If that doesn't work and the male proceeds then it's rape.
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If a male refuses to wear a condom then the female should refuse to have sex. If that doesn't work and the male proceeds then it's rape.
As said...in an ideal world all these clear instructions should function. People are dumb, or weak, or in love, or whatever. Be kind. ;-)

Or the contraceptive methods that were used just didn't work. I remember a similar discussion here and someone said they know a doctor who uses the calendar method....and has 5 children!
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Other than for rape victims and women who are medically unable to have children due a condition found during their pregnancy, I don't see why the tax payer should have to fork out for women to have an abortion.

Pregnancy, like AIDS, is the most avoidable condition in the developed world.
You do hopefully know that aids is caused by more things than just unsafe sex?

But such knowledge would make your comment strange.
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Old 16.04.2018, 16:33
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You do hopefully know that aids is caused by more things than just unsafe sex?

But such knowledge would make your comment strange.
How so? Apart from children getting HIV from their parents, blood transfusions (virtually unheard of today) and rape victims, AIDS is 100% avoidable.
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Other than for rape victims and women who are medically unable to have children due a condition found during their pregnancy, I don't see why the tax payer should have to fork out for women to have an abortion.

Pregnancy, like AIDS, is the most avoidable condition in the developed world.
That's quite a simplicistic position.

No contraceptive is 100% effective, the best you can get is something like 99.8% for a year with the pill. However that still means that, cumulatively over 30 years of sexual activity, some 6% of the women get pregnant against their will.

With condoms the failure rate is somewhere in the single-digit percentages. For a single year.
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Old 16.04.2018, 18:20
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How so? Apart from children getting HIV from their parents, blood transfusions (virtually unheard of today) and rape victims, AIDS is 100% avoidable.
...and carelessly shared needles,
...and needles deliberately re-used (because that's all that's available) but having been insufficiently cleaned (because the knowledge or the equipment and chemicals are not available)
...and blood or other bodily fluid transfer
...and infection through blood transfusions are virtually unheard of nowadays in places in the world which have more sophisticated testing methods.
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Old 16.04.2018, 18:23
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Yeah, but let's leave it at an over simplistic view on a complex matter....EF style. We don't need that much of an argumentation. ;-)
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Old 16.04.2018, 18:48
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I would agree on this one, but if males refuse to wear a condom or whatever, don't know how your argument can stand. In an ideal world, maybe.
And then there are women who hate condoms and refuse to have sex with a guy wearing one.

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Old 16.04.2018, 18:50
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Other than for rape victims and women who are medically unable to have children due a condition found during their pregnancy, I don't see why the tax payer should have to fork out for women to have an abortion.
For they same reason that they have to fork out for pregnancies and live births.

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Old 16.04.2018, 19:36
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For they same reason that they have to fork out for pregnancies and live births.

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Yes, and for all the people who, having been born alive, persist in living. And then for their going on to die.
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Old 16.04.2018, 22:05
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...and carelessly shared needles,
...and needles deliberately re-used (because that's all that's available) but having been insufficiently cleaned (because the knowledge or the equipment and chemicals are not available)
...and blood or other bodily fluid transfer
Yes, all well known and perfectly avoidable.

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That's quite a simplicistic position.

No contraceptive is 100% effective, the best you can get is something like 99.8% for a year with the pill. However that still means that, cumulatively over 30 years of sexual activity, some 6% of the women get pregnant against their will.
99.8%. That means for every 1000 times a woman has sex whilst on the pill there's a chance she'd get pregnant twice. So whilst it can happen, it's exceptionally unlikely, especially when other factors are taken into consideration. Same goes for condoms.
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Old 16.04.2018, 22:33
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Yes, all well known and perfectly avoidable.



99.8%. That means for every 1000 times a woman has sex whilst on the pill there's a chance she'd get pregnant twice. So whilst it can happen, it's exceptionally unlikely, especially when other factors are taken into consideration. Same goes for condoms.
No!
It means if a 1,000 women have sex whilst on the pill then on average two will get pregnant
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Old 16.04.2018, 22:35
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...99.8%. That means for every 1000 times a woman has sex whilst on the pill there's a chance she'd get pregnant twice. So whilst it can happen, it's exceptionally unlikely, especially when other factors are taken into consideration. Same goes for condoms.
That statistic is only true when taken properly. Doctors and pharmacists will tell you that a large number of patients don't take medications on schedule, don't take the right dose, forget altogether, take other things that interact with each other, etc.
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Old 16.04.2018, 22:39
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Yes, all well known and perfectly avoidable.
Avoidable, mostly, bar error, malice, passion or folly, in sufficiently wealthy parts of the planet, and well known to people with the privilege of education on these matters.
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And then there are women who hate condoms and refuse to have sex with a guy wearing one.

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I guess there are.
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Old 17.04.2018, 06:32
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No!
It means if a 1,000 women have sex whilst on the pill then on average two will get pregnant
Fair point. 2 out of 1000 is still some way off the abortion rate, and every woman that gets pregnant accidentally through failure of the pill won’t have an abortion. Ipso facto getting pregnant without wishing to do is still easily preventable.

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That statistic is only true when taken properly. Doctors and pharmacists will tell you that a large number of patients don't take medications on schedule, don't take the right dose, forget altogether, take other things that interact with each other, etc.
It’s preventable. Being stupid and forgetful doesn’t change this fact.
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It’s preventable. Being stupid and forgetful doesn’t change this fact.
It's only 100% preventable if you sustain from having sex.

I take offence at your remark that a woman is stupid or forgetful if she becomes pregnant and then wants to abort the fetus. There are far more underlying reasons why a woman may want to terminate a pregnancy.

- change in relationship
- change in career
- unplanned pregnancy due to the risk of birth control measures
- health reasons

... and many more reasons

Don't be judgemental of women faced with the decision to have an abortion. In my eyes, it's a mysogynistic, ignorant view of women and life in general.

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For they same reason that they have to fork out for pregnancies and live births.

Tom
Which cost significantly more than abortions.
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