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Old 12.04.2018, 16:29
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Abortion covered by health insurance?

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I would say a better analogy would be a ruling that stops Christians from practising their faith as they see fit and then guess whether semi-pious Christians would be for or against it.
You mean like permitting abortions and funding them from taxes?
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Old 13.04.2018, 13:37
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You mean like permitting abortions and funding them from taxes?
Permitting, yes,

Funding them form taxes, no.

As is the case in Switzerland.

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Old 13.04.2018, 13:55
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Permitting, yes,

Funding them form taxes, no.

As is the case in Switzerland.

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In the UK abortions are available via the NHS so tax funded.

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Abortions can only be carried out in an NHS hospital or a licensed clinic, and are usually available free of charge on the NHS.
In Swtzerland basic health insurance covers the cost of legal abortion so you could argue that Christians pay into the health insurance pot that pays for the abortion.

This discussion was about "a ruling that stops Christians from practising their faith as they see fit".
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Old 13.04.2018, 13:59
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Permitting, yes,

Funding them form taxes, no.

As is the case in Switzerland.

Tom
Abortions are covered by mandatory health insurance.
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Old 13.04.2018, 14:46
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Abortions are covered by mandatory health insurance.
Since when?

I certainly know people who had to pay themselves within the past few years.

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Old 13.04.2018, 15:29
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Since when?

I certainly know people who had to pay themselves within the past few years.

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How very peculiar. Am I the odd one out that doesn't know people who have had an abortion?

I'd imagine it would only be something that's shared with close family and friends and be a relatively rare occurance. But here we have the mighty Tom from Ticino knowing people (plural) who've not only had an abortion but discussed how they've been financed.
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Since when?

I certainly know people who had to pay themselves within the past few years.

Tom
There may be exceptions, I wouldn't know, but in general for ages, if I had to guess since the introduction of the "Fristenlösung", legalisation of abortion.

There was a public referendum a few years ago to change that, to remove it from what's paid by mandatory heath insurance, but that failed.
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Old 13.04.2018, 15:37
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Since when?
Urs Max is correct:

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...073/index.html
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Art. 301 Strafloser Abbruch der Schwangerschaft
Bei straflosem Abbruch einer Schwangerschaft nach Artikel 119 des Strafgesetzbuches2 übernimmt die obligatorische Krankenpflegeversicherung die Kosten für die gleichen Leistungen wie bei Krankheit.
Straflos in this context means up until 12 weeks into the pregnancy.

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How very peculiar. Am I the odd one out that doesn't know people who have had an abortion?
No, I don't know anyone either.
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Old 13.04.2018, 15:47
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How very peculiar. Am I the odd one out that doesn't know people who have had an abortion?
You don't need to know someone to know how it's financed. Who pays is an integral aspect of a very difficult issue.

Having the abortion paid by the mother is unfair in those cases where the father is absent or refuses to pay his fair share, and it makes abortion effectively unavailable to a sizeable portion of the population in general.

According to this parliamentary enquiry it was included in basic health insurance upon its legalisation, provided the abortion is legal. An abortion is legal if the embrio is not older than 12 weeks, in certain cases (including if the mother's life is in danger) it can be older.
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Old 13.04.2018, 15:58
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Since when?

I certainly know people who had to pay themselves within the past few years.

Tom
Those people then where 1. to late (after 14 weeks, which is the first trimester) and b. failed a medical reason to do so (psychological or physical), else it would be covered by the health insurance (since around 2002)

Would expect you to know this since in 2014 an initiative to take the coverage of abortion away from the public health insurance system got rejected by voters.
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Old 13.04.2018, 16:12
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How very peculiar. Am I the odd one out that doesn't know people who have had an abortion?
I know a few. But in an advice/counselling situation, not in general day to day discussions.

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Probably an indication of his dissolute life style!
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Old 13.04.2018, 16:31
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I know a few. But in an advice/counselling situation, not in general day to day discussions.

Probably an indication of his dissolute life style!
Or maybe he just tells an abundance of porkie pies!
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According to this parliamentary enquiry it was included in basic health insurance upon its legalisation, provided the abortion is legal. An abortion is legal if the embrio is not older than 12 weeks, in certain cases (including if the mother's life is in danger) it can be older.
From the way it was described to me, it's almost never illegal. If someone needs an abortion after twelve weeks, there's a problem with the mother or the fetus and it's legal. There's no weird dogma here.

At least that's what we were told while waiting for genetic testing.
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Old 13.04.2018, 17:17
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Since when?

I certainly know people who had to pay themselves within the past few years.

Tom
Tom, I know women who have had abortions, in many countries- and as a woman discussed it with them, including the fair or unfairness of the system.
Some peoples' lives are so limited and narrow... they think anyone with more varied and interesting experiences are talking porkies ... (apart from that, I am totally grateful that I never myself had to make such a difficult decision).
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Old 13.04.2018, 17:21
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How very peculiar. Am I the odd one out that doesn't know people who have had an abortion?

I'd imagine it would only be something that's shared with close family and friends and be a relatively rare occurance. But here we have the mighty Tom from Ticino knowing people (plural) who've not only had an abortion but discussed how they've been financed.
Without putting any effort in, I can think of four friends who have had abortions; one twice and one for medical reasons.

They'll have all been NHS financed.

So Tom isn't that unusual in this case

Edit: +One more. Though she's French, so I'm not sure how it works there.
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Without putting any effort in, I can think of four friends who have had abortions; one twice and one for medical reasons.

They'll have all been NHS financed.

So Tom isn't that unusual in this case

Edit: +One more. Though she's French, so I'm not sure how it works there.
I imagine the NHS funded ones were obvious as they were in the UK.

But I can't imagine one asking a woman who has had an abortion how it was financed. Just seems a weird question. But that's just me.

Don't mean to cause anyone offence on a clearly sensitive matter so apologies if I did.
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Re: Abortion covered by health insurance?

I honestly can't fathom why this is being discussed on EF, am open to input
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Re: Abortion covered by health insurance?

There are about 700k births and 180k abortions yearly in UK (it is still a far cry from Russia where quite recently they were even); so on average every third couple has experienced it.
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I honestly can't fathom why this is being discussed on EF, am open to input
It's a thread split from Another thread. If you click the first quote there is some context
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There are about 700k births and 180k abortions yearly in UK (it is still a far cry from Russia where quite recently they were even); so on average every third couple has experienced it.
I'd imagine there are more than 540k couples in the UK with a population of 65 million
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