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"Prevention may be partly achieved through early introduction of peanuts to the diets of pregnant women and babies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_allergy

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Yeah that was one study, which while interesting shouldn't really be considered sufficient enough evidence to form the basis of any recommendation to human beings.

[TANGENT] I love being a scientist and I really value the idea of an 'expert opinion', but as a group, we are really **** at communicating with the general public. And we are definitely part of the problem; individual scientists often over-value the impact of their own work. I understand completely; it is very easy to be carried away in your enthusiasm over something you have observed/discovered. But its importance is usually only determined after the passage of time. And most observations turn out to not be important enough to be recognized in Stockholm .

(For the record, when an individual scientist says that X might prevent Y, he/she probably means that there seems to be a correlation between treatment with a huge amount of X and a decrease in a few parameters obliquely related to condition Y using a laboratory model that is far more sensitive and less genetically diverse than the average human. After some translation, what the public hears on the nightly evening news is that X cures Y. Which turns out to not be true when the next lab demonstrates that the correlation does not exist when using their own slightly different model. This is a less sexy observation though which goes unreported by mass media.)

Eventually multiple observations under different conditions leads most of the scientists in a field towards something akin to 'factual truth'. Until then, we should all shut up with the public recommendations.

PS I bet physicists don't have this problem. [/TANGENT]
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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

At my son‘s school there was one child in his class who had severe food allergies that required him to carry an epi-pen at all times.

Before the children started in the class, the head sent a letter to ALL parents asking them to avoid their children bringing such foods for the Znüni (mid-morning snack). The parents of the child concerned were at a parents info evening and they and the principal took the chance to explain the situation and just thank everyone for their understanding.

In short - schools DO care about about such things and will accommodate such children. If you are not confident with the attitude of the class teacher, bring. it to the attention of the school management. The last thing anybody wants is a child being carted to hospital unable to breathe or worse.

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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

Also not all nut an peanut allergies are life threatening however most doctors prefer to be "safe than sorry". Nowadays there are more specific tests available though that can with high certainty evaluate the risk for anaphylactic chock.


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Note that a peanut allergy is one thing and a nut allergy is another. People can have both, or either (or none), but the allergen in peanuts is not the same as in nuts. Mainly because peanuts aren't, botanically speaking, nuts at all.
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I think in the UK now, (real) allergies are recognised and treated seriously.
Absolutely. Of course they are. My daughter's playgroup leader has a severe peanut allergy: no peanuts on the premises, all colleagues epi pen trained.

Taught plenty of kids over the years with allergies: suggesting it's a purely US thing is most odd.

CH needs to broaden its mind I reckon.
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Are the Swiss genes such that they don't have life threatening allergies, at all?

Thinking shellfish and (pea)nut type ones, not complete bollocks ones like gluten.
Gluten is technically an intolerance, not an allergy, is not always “bollocks”, and can have a pretty severe impact. I’ve been hospitalized once, briefly, with my celiac disease. My cousin spent three days in a hospital before they finally figured out what’s wrong with her (celiac disease), and a friend of mine has been hospitalized three times for celiac disease, twice before they figured it out and once after, when she’d eaten something that hadn’t truly been gluten free.

As life threatening as allergies like nuts, shellfish, bee stings...? No, but I’m the long run it can destroy your digestive system, stunt your growth, weaken your bones and teeth, make your life miserable...

I realize there are a lot of people who falsely claim gluten intolerance. Drives me crazy. People don’t take me seriously—ANYWHERE in the world, not just CH but also USA. And yes, I’m American, but per capita Ireland had the highest incidents of celiac disease, last I heard. I believe it—never been in such an accommodating country for celiacs.

Sorry for the soapbox rant. Couldn’t help myself.

As to Swiss with allergy/intolerance, I’ve met one who has a mom with celiac, one who has a daughter who becomes physically ill when she’s eaten potatoes, and one who has a child with a serious dairy and beef intolerance, but none yet with allergies. Not that I go around asking, and as we’ve not yet had anyone other than family and close friends over to eat, I can’t say I’ve had a good sample yet
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Gluten is technically an intolerance, not an allergy, is not always “bollocks”, and can have a pretty severe impact. I’ve been hospitalized once, briefly, with my celiac disease. My cousin spent three days in a hospital before they finally figured out what’s wrong with her (celiac disease), and a friend of mine has been hospitalized three times for celiac disease, twice before they figured it out and once after, when she’d eaten something that hadn’t truly been gluten free.

As life threatening as allergies like nuts, shellfish, bee stings...? No, but I’m the long run it can destroy your digestive system, stunt your growth, weaken your bones and teeth, make your life miserable...

I realize there are a lot of people who falsely claim gluten intolerance. Drives me crazy. People don’t take me seriously—ANYWHERE in the world, not just CH but also USA. And yes, I’m American, but per capita Ireland had the highest incidents of celiac disease, last I heard. I believe it—never been in such an accommodating country for celiacs.

Sorry for the soapbox rant. Couldn’t help myself.

As to Swiss with allergy/intolerance, I’ve met one who has a mom with celiac, one who has a daughter who becomes physically ill when she’s eaten potatoes, and one who has a child with a serious dairy and beef intolerance, but none yet with allergies. Not that I go around asking, and as we’ve not yet had anyone other than family and close friends over to eat, I can’t say I’ve had a good sample yet
Well don't assume I'm dismissing celiac sufferers.
That's a genuine allergy.

I said intolerance, not allergy

Gluten intolerance isn't a thing: it's the processing of food that happens to contain gluten. I can't eat much bread produced by the Chorleywood process but I'm not gluten anything.
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Well don't assume I'm dismissing celiac sufferers.
That's a genuine allergy.

I said intolerance, not allergy

Gluten intolerance isn't a thing: it's the processing of food that happens to contain gluten. I can't eat much bread produced by the Chorleywood process but I'm not gluten anything.
Sorry for assuming, it just happens so much.

And yes, it appears my terminology was off. Seems celiac disease is classified in a different category, as an autoimmune condition rather than allergy/intolerance. I had thought intolerance was the word used when a reaction to a food substance was digestive rather than rash/swelling of throat/etc, but perhaps I am mistaken on that as well? My friends with severe dairy intolerance always use just that—the word intolerance. They've been blood tested and confirmed. It's not lactose, it's the whey or I don't remember what exactly. One even has to avoid beef. But the reaction their bodies produces is all related to the digestive system, rather than a skin/other response.

I'm totally with you as to the "fad" of being supposedly "intolerant of/allergic to" something. It contributes to so much misinformation. I can't tell you the number of times I've had someone affirm a product was gluten-free only to have me inquire further and have the person admit that "there's some of that regular flour in it" or "we used breadcrumbs" or "but there's only a little!" or "but the high heat kills the gluten, right?" But it's hard to blame them when I've also seen people ask worriedly if something is gluten free in a restaurant, only to dive into the bread basket when it comes around. Not to mention the confusion I felt when one of my cousins said she wouldn't eat my homemade Swedish meatballs because of her acid reflux, only to watch her eat some ordered-in fried chicken instead
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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

I'm a first aid trainer and I know how serious allergies can be. It's part of any first aid course that I teach to show how the various pens work using some trainer devices. In fact, we have a special course regulated by Ofqual (UK) at level 3 in the Immediate Management of Anaphylaxis.

Someone working in a school should at least be aware of Anaphylaxis and really know how to administer the pen. There really ought to be first aiders on site as well.

I also work as a trekking guide and I do understand that we all get medical forms from time to time that rather overstate conditions. I once had one that claimed a garlic allergy which would be a nightmare in a mountain refuge with a pan that's cooked garlic for the last 20 years But that's clearly not the case here.

In the first instance, you should talk to the school management. But this a situation where you're now aware of general lack of basic first aid knowledge. There should be people in a school trained in paediatric first aid and there should be procedures for those not trained to follow. It's hard to see how a responsible first aid person would not have identified common paediatric conditions like asthma and anaphylaxis.

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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

In France the creche/school can deny to have a children with allergies. If they have allergies, they must show a medical proof*, then if the creche/school accepts the kid the staff is usually given a basic training on how to deal with an emergency. Although I don't have a kid with allergies, I've seen that they have in the "cantine" where the pre-school kids eat, a list with all the kids names and the info on having or not allergies, and what type of allergies (nuts, egg, etc). Only with the medical proof the "cantine" can request support from the state to request special meals for the kids.

*without an official letter from a doctor, kids with allergies are considered to be vaguely intolerant.

I am not sure how difficult it would be to have an official letter from a doctor testifying that she has an allergy to nuts, but it would probably help a lot. Probably the one in charge of your kid is automatically ignoring how serious it is, because she is expecting to have a doctor's letter if there was really some life-threatening problem. Like Odile says most people don't know the difference between allergic and intolerant.

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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

The Beobachter is a well-known Swiss magazine, in German, about societal issues that are misunderstood, or matters of social relevance that are dealt with poorly.

Here is an article dated 26‎. ‎April‎ ‎2018, in the Beobachter, setting out that allergies can be deadly.
https://www.beobachter.ch/gesundheit...n-todlich-sein

Perhaps, OP, it might help if you took this along to the Kindergarten teacher.
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Reading back through...did you get an official direction from your child's paediatrician/allergy specialist, explaining what precautions need to be given, possibly symptoms, and what steps must be taken in case of allergic reaction ? This should have serious weight with the teacher and the school organisation - I would suggestion doing this ASAP and copying it with a polite informative letter to all the staff who have contact with your daughter, as well as the school leader.
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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

I had been watching for my best friend's two girls as they grew up.
One of them is severe Celiac and the younger one is gluten intolerance.
While some people think it's a fad, for some people watching the sufferers almost everyday is really eye opening.
The oldest is so severe that when she accidentally putting gluten containing food in her mount, she becomes projectile vomiting and got severely sick immediately. The youngest one got headache and if she goes for prolonged exposure, you could notice her change of behavior a.k.a she turns into a ball of nightmare.

My other friend (actually my kids' ex principal) was diagnosed celiac at the age of 52. To top of that, he has severe peanut allergy already. Those allergies while we can't see it, are real. I realize some people ended up making the gluten free diet to become a fad, but for some people they are life-threatening.

I am lactose intolerance myself, as a result of a stomach surgery back in 2011. Here's the catch...I could consume dairy product, but CERTAIN type I can't. I could drink cow's milk, but the same cow's milk of different brand I can't. So does with yogurt, cheese, frozen yogurt, ice cream and many more.
Is it a fad? Certainly not, especially after you suffer from stomach cramping you get cold sweat and feel someone twist your guts inside out.

Working in the school increases my knowledge of allergy awareness. Some kids are not yet well aware of that life-threatening consequences of others.
Yes I had a girl who insisted her allergic friend invited her to sit at the allergy table, while she has PB&J sandwich. Really? When she was told that her friend is allergic to nuts, she just shrugged. Of course..your problem, not mine, right? Absolutely not. You wouldn't be happy if something happen to your kids. We take that seriously.
When I do my cafetaria duty, I check home brought kids' lunches if they were invited to the allergy table. Questionable food? Send the food to the nurse, he would check and made calls if necessary.

Sharing this, I realize it makes me sounds so anal, but I don't think we do really need to see a victim first before we could be aware of this thing we could avoid. Yeah, you need to protect your child in any way you can as the advocate. It gets easier as the child grows older.
Get a doctor's letter and raise some voice.

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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

This confirms my observations that the Swiss school system is about 50 years behind the rest of the developed world. I have seen some highly incompetent kindergarten teachers in Basel-Stadt this year. I have visited several private kindergartens with the international staff and they seemed to be aware of this issue with the Swiss public school staff. Apparently I was not the first one to complain
I wonder if you managed to convince your family doctor to send a letter, because Swiss family doctors have similar qualifications to the Swiss teachers.


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I'm hoping of getting some advice here. My daughter has a severe nut allergy which, until she went to Kindergarten, we could manage quite well. I have always brought a nut-safe alternative to Spielgruppe and they have given me a list with birthday's on it, so I knew well in advance when to bake. My daughter was also fine with how it went and did not take food from others as it could have nuts in it and after her anaphylactic shock when she was 2, she got really suspicious of food from others.

Now she is in Kindergarten and seems to have let go of everything written above. We have tried to explain the teacher how severe her nut allergy is, explained the epi pen, antihistamines etc. but the teacher seems really dismissive of it all. In our recent conversation she said yes yes, I know how it works, it's like clicking a ballpoint ... Well no, dear woman! On top of this she said 'well it's not like it's a life threatening allergy is it' Again wrong.. Now after about 5 conversations she still has no clue about the severity of it all and how to work the pen in case something goes wrong. When there is a birthday, she asks the parents if there are any nuts in the cake and if they say no, she is allowing my daughter to have cake. I have tried to explain to my daughter that even though you don't see the nuts, that doesn't mean there are no nuts in the cake (ground almonds or hazelnuts in chocolates etc) but she says, well Frau ... says its ok, so I can then also have cake - which is a normal reaction from a 5 year old and of course she cannot see the consequences yet. So we have tried to take it up with the head of school to ensure teachers get a proper training in allergies and how to handle when she gets an anaphylactic shock but he also seems to think this is not necessary. He is also retiring after this school year, so he basically does not care..

It feels like I am just fighting agains a wall here, I don't feel taken serious and I am getting nowhere. To be honest I am also getting a bit fed up with requesting another talk with regards to my daughters allergy.. Until now everything went well for her and she did not suffer a reaction but people will forget and if you are not dealing with allergies, you are not focussed on the ingredients of food.

Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with this as I am getting at my wits end here.
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This confirms my observations that the Swiss school system is about 50 years behind the rest of the developed world. I have seen some highly incompetent kindergarten teachers in Basel-Stadt this year. I have visited several private kindergartens with the international staff and they seemed to be aware of this issue with the Swiss public school staff. Apparently I was not the first one to complain
I wonder if you managed to convince your family doctor to send a letter, because Swiss family doctors have similar qualifications to the Swiss teachers.

As I posted before. Are you dealing with the teachers in their mother-tongue ? And do you have a direction letter from the specialist/paediatrician directly to the school of what precautions they need to take ? This is how it works in Switzerland. Also, don't take it to the class teacher, take it to the school Principal. They are the ones who need to ensure that a protocol/procedure is implemented across the whole school structure.
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Re: Kindergarten teacher does not take nut allergy serious

I hope you already have resolved the issue and feeling calmer now. I totally feel for you, I too have a child with severe nuts allergy's (6 nuts!) and i have had and still have sleepless nights worrying about it. Just sharing with you our ways, in the end you have to find a way that put your mind in rest......very early in daycare years, we realised the lack of knowledge in carers/teachers...we used to make a page with my daughter’s foto/name/class with all her allergy informations/medications and detailed instructions of what to watch out and required actions....i have always left an extra epipen in the class room (she has two sets with her all the times) in the day care, i asked them to put the paper up on the wall! in primary schools i gave all teachers a copy (mentioning it in parents evening too) still i remember one or two occasions when teachers gave her a ‘Samichlaus’ bag😳
she is in Gymmi now, we still do the same making personal contact with the head of the school/mensa(restaurant)/carers on the school trips even if it means we have to drive few hours to get to them. But mainly we talked and talked and educated her from the early age that she should not trust anyone in this matter! and she shouldn’t eat anything in school/bdays/school trips etc unless she can read the label herself..... to be honest, i don’t want to trust a teacher’s/someone else’s judgment in what is safe for my kid to eat, for me it is much safer and controllable! if my daughter makes the call ...also we have to prepare them for outside world where you can not trust a restaurant owner advice...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...lergy-customer

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-allergy-death

We are going through different phases ourselves, for example currently my dilemma is next year, when they take them abroad for school trips! First times are always scary....

P.s i’m cooking and writing in the same time😏 so forgive the mistakes... wish you all the best
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