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Lyme disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

As I do a fair bit of hiking on some weekends wearing shorts I want to get the lime disease vaccination in the next week or so.

I had assumed this kind of thing would be doctor only but then someone told me that they head that pharmacy's/Apothekes do it too. Can someone please confirm?
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As I do a fair bit of hiking on some weekends wearing shorts I want to get the lime disease vaccination in the next week or so.

I had assumed this kind of thing would be doctor only but then someone told me that they head that pharmacy's/Apothekes do it too. Can someone please confirm?
https://www.google.ch/search?ei=FycV....0.L2bP7I6TqZk

EDIT: And it's only TBE, the vaccine is referred to as FSME in the German parts.
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

I don't think there is a vaccine for Lyme Disease. I know you can get one for the encephalitis sickness from ticks but the only vaccine for Lyme Disease isn't offered.

I just tried googling but there's some conflicting advice.

I tried to get it for my son but the doctor only had the encephalitis jab. i would check it out with your GP.
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

As I understand it, the only vaccinations available are for tick-borne encephalitis. There is currently no vaccination available against Lyme disease.

The former can be booked at your doctors. Beware, though, the first jab sent me to a darkened room for three days with the worst headache I've ever had before or since. I didn't bother with the other two.
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

I'd ask whoever told you about the pharmacy again, I'd no idea that a pharmacy gave vaccinations.

Anyway, it's probably moot. As far as I'm aware there is no human vaccine for Lyme disease. Without getting into a fairly complex issue, there was something called LYMErix but it was withdrawn by the manufacturer.
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

A vaccine would be very good! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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Old 04.06.2018, 14:05
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

I'm not saying you ought not to have the immunisation but
we've only had to remove ticks from our kids when 'someone' has forgotten to use tick spray before venturing into the woods. Two in one week a couple of weeks ago.

Other than that, we've had 100 percent success with the anti-tick spray.

(Don't forget to lift up your t-shirt and spray around the waist as crouching down usually exposes this area and this is where one of ours was bitten).
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

There's a Lyme disease vaccine which is still going through the clinical trials so it might take 7-10 years till it's out on the market. So I've heard at least

I recommend getting the encephalitis jab. I didn't get any weird symptoms after the jab though. The arm was just a bit cramped for a day or two, but no pain (unless you hit it). It'll be a disease less to worry about if you get bitten and don't notice it in time (general rule is after 24h)
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

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I don't think there is a vaccine for Lyme Disease. I know you can get one for the encephalitis sickness from ticks but the only vaccine for Lyme Disease isn't offered.
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As I understand it, the only vaccinations available are for tick-borne encephalitis. There is currently no vaccination available against Lyme disease.

The former can be booked at your doctors. Beware, though, the first jab sent me to a darkened room for three days with the worst headache I've ever had before or since. I didn't bother with the other two.
Oh wow maybe I have been barking up the wrong tree then... a fair few people said there was a vaccine but I guess there is a lot of ignorance around this topic. Not only that, but if DB had a bad reaction that is something else to worry about.

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I'd ask whoever told you about the pharmacy again, I'd no idea that a pharmacy gave vaccinations.

Anyway, it's probably moot. As far as I'm aware there is no human vaccine for Lyme disease. Without getting into a fairly complex issue, there was something called LYMErix but it was withdrawn by the manufacturer.
I just googled LYMErix and found this very interesting article... https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...-effectiveness

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Yet in the late 1990s and early 2000s, a vaccine called LYMErix was sold to prevent between 76 and 92 percent of infections. Hundreds of thousands of people got it — until vaccine fear knocked it off the market.

The LYMErix story is worth retelling today. It’s a stark reminder of how anti-vaccine mania of the past few decades is leaving us all more susceptible to disease.

But it was effective, preventing Lyme in up to 90 percent of the people who were vaccinated will all three doses, with few side effects.

The vaccine was pulled from the market, despite evidence finding it was safe.

WBUR in Boston reports there have been some small efforts to revive LYMErix (its patent has now expired), but the pharmaceutical industry has lost interest in it, and grassroots efforts have gone unfunded.
That really sucks. Why on earth wouldn't they reproduce it with modern processes considering how infectious it is? I thought we had largely got rid of superstition surrounding medical science... clearly I was wrong!

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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

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I'm not saying you ought not to have the immunisation but
we've only had to remove ticks from our kids when 'someone' has forgotten to use tick spray before venturing into the woods. Two in one week a couple of weeks ago.

Other than that, we've had 100 percent success with the anti-tick spray.

(Don't forget to lift up your t-shirt and spray around the waist as crouching down usually exposes this area and this is where one of ours was bitten).
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There's a Lyme disease vaccine which is still going through the clinical trials so it might take 7-10 years till it's out on the market. So I've heard at least

I recommend getting the encephalitis jab. I didn't get any weird symptoms after the jab though. The arm was just a bit cramped for a day or two, but no pain (unless you hit it). It'll be a disease less to worry about if you get bitten and don't notice it in time (general rule is after 24h)
Ok, so spray and an encephalitis jab. Sounds like a plan for now, thanks guys.
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

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There's a Lyme disease vaccine which is still going through the clinical trials so it might take 7-10 years till it's out on the market. So I've heard at least

I recommend getting the encephalitis jab. I didn't get any weird symptoms after the jab though. The arm was just a bit cramped for a day or two, but no pain (unless you hit it). It'll be a disease less to worry about if you get bitten and don't notice it in time (general rule is after 24h)
Ditto on the jab not hurting.

Actually the encephalitis virus is transmitted almost instantly (OK, within seconds or minutes) of being bitten. It is Lyme disease that takes at least 24 hours.
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Oh wow maybe I have been barking up the wrong tree then... a fair few people said there was a vaccine but I guess there is a lot of ignorance around this topic. Not only that, but if DB had a bad reaction that is something else to worry about.
Quite literally... If you had four paws you would be able to get the vaccination.

So in the meantime, I would just invest in a tick repellent from the pharmacy for use when you are heading into the forest.
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Ok, so spray and an encephalitis jab. Sounds like a plan for now, thanks guys.
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if DB had a bad reaction that is something else to worry about.
I'm not saying "don't do it" - after all, death by meningitis is quite a lot worse than a couple of days with the curtains closed - but I'd time it for a Friday afternoon, just to be on the safe side.
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Quite literally... If you had four paws you would be able to get the vaccination.
There are ways round this problem, you know...

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I'd ask whoever told you about the pharmacy again, I'd no idea that a pharmacy gave vaccinations.
What a pharmacy can vaccinate against or what not depends on the canton:
See what applies in your canton and which pharmacies offer the service https://impfapotheke.ch/
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Re: Lime disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

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hy on earth wouldn't they reproduce it with modern processes considering how infectious it is? I thought we had largely got rid of superstition within medical science... clearly I was wrong!
No "modern processes" are needed. There's nothing wrong with the vaccine and certainly no superstition within medical science. It's the ignorant anti-vax crowd that falls prey to superstition.
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No "modern processes" are needed. There's nothing wrong with the vaccine and certainly no superstition within medical science. It's the ignorant anti-vax crowd that falls prey to superstition.
That's what I meant, I even quoted the article sections saying the vaccine worked effectively. I was talking about other people's attitudes to medical science so maybe the word "within" was misplaced, but I think the context was otherwise clear.

Regardless of any remaining lingering doubts of the vaccine in the minds of the public or media, it seems like it is also the medical companies (the main ones anyway) also making a conscious choice not to re-launch a successful vaccine of a current widespread disease because of a historical and irrational mass anti-vaccine hysteria, which is also imo not really so forgivable.

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Re: Lyme disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

I'll have my FSME redone tomorrow (had it done 2008). I live in a "risk-area" and roam it too - when I get my lazy a. up.

It's the assistant who gives you the jab but from what I was told they're not allowed to do that if there is no doctor in the house, so I'm not sure you could get it in a pharmacie.

It's payed by the health insurance.

No vaccine against Borreliose (Lyme) available, which is bacterial and is treated with antibiotics.
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Re: Lyme disease vaccinations (against tick bites)

I'd be delighted with an effecctive Lyme vaccine. I got two Lyme infected tic bites 7-8 years ago. On the back of each calf, a classic bulls-eye rash. I was cutting the grass in my garden in a suburb from Basel. I was treated with a 7 days dose of penicillin. It now appears there's a distinct possibility that it wasn't sufficient.

The good news is there's a local specialist who seems to be very much aware of the issues and connected with researchers in Berlin. The articles on his website are encouraging that it is taken seriously by the practice.

The only thing that worries me slightly is that he also advocates homeopathy. If he offers me sugar water as treatment I'll be singularly unimpressed...
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