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Old 28.07.2018, 16:28
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Divorce - Expertise for my three children

I got sucked into this vortex of doom because people could not understand what was going on and really regret having agreed to it.

My very jaded and cynical view is that the more people & agencies that get involved the more misery it generates, not to mention the huge financial cost too. (in our case about 15K CHF)

Legal expertise if you ever get asked to partake, do not, trust me it is a miserable process and I am not sure anyone comes out of it well, even in my situation, my ex, my children or me. In addition you get dealt some more curve balls to deal with too.

My son who has a difficult relationship with his mother and has stayed with me for over a year now; this was one of those just for the moment, it is just temporary which is now a year+ ..

What I am complaining about is the glacier pace this -crap- process progresses or not!

Adding to the misery I am on minimum vital and being made to pay my ex for my eldest son too and no account for his needs that I have had to borrow money for. I am not complaining about having him because of other reasons my son has developed well since being 100% with me.

My other two children just went back to there mothers after 4 weeks holiday with me and my eldest son, great time, no issues, had a great time, they really look up to their eldest brother.

Back to my eldest he went from 4.2 to a 5.2 overall in his studies, getting an apprenticeship competing against 52 others to get one of the only 12 places available in Geneva. Okay, I know some of you look down on people doing an apprenticeship, I did one in aerospace engineering in the military myself and thought it was excellent. At the moment it really suits him and is super happy with that choice.

Shout out to his year teacher who was absolutely outstanding and worked with me to keep the wolves away and did an amazing job.

The last trimester my son really got his head down, studied hard and did the graft.

Now they are threatening to take my son from me and put him in a foyer because he identifies with my obsession not to abandon him and demands the law be followed and his human rights be respected too much. So here we have a young bright boy who is law abiding, studies hard, doesn't smoke, drink, fight or any other bullshit.

Reason given, my beliefs might hamper his personality growth to form his own. (this was in the 1 hour debrief from the expert but ran out of time about my other two children)

Also no visitation for my other -two- no reason given so far, just read the 70 page report. right okay so ... can I have the report please .. ask the court ... so ask the court ... sorry we have too many people on holiday ... but I need to respond to the report in 28 days or? ... sorry can't help that, it is nothing to do with us, we just copy post etc.

To say I was upset last week is an understatement; so I went to talk to my shrink and talked through latest events so far. The name of the expert rang a bell ... looks her up .. oh yes she (my shrink) forced an expertise to be re-done because she (the legal expert doing the report) fabricated a major part of the story (not saying she has done that with mine as I haven't seen the report yet)

Five years on I am here riding my son's push bike, my ex driving her new SUV having not contributed virtually anything financially to my eldest son in the last year ... right equality 50/50 ... that is just another load of equality *ç% ...

My lawyer did not believe me and thought I miss heard during the meeting with the expert, so she called the translator who was there (to translate -same-sh!t from one language to another)
Translator confirmed ... lawyer doesn't understand ... tells me .. we need that report ...heck...

Just to give something back rather than just ranting ...
I get some of my legal costs paid currently through legal aid. Apply even if you are on a salary of @250K+ as in my case, it make no difference, minimum vital is bugger all to live on and even less if it is calculated just for you.
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Old 28.07.2018, 17:39
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Hang on in there.. one thing I have learned over the years is if a person is to write up a conversation and quote you in relation to a report, do not speak or utter a word until you have their agreement in writing that you get to read/annotate their write-up first before it is made official.
It really beggars belief that professionals who should know better, don't.. and unless you proof read it all through, one wrong word out of context can have a negative impact which takes months to fix/sort out.

It's a disgrace that you are not given more control in this process or being warned in advance of the time scales involved.

Stay strong! Things could very soon take a turn for the better and you will feel more positive.
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An apprenticeship is an excellent thing for your son to be doing! Well done to you, his teacher and the young man himself, for making it possible. Impressive that his marks went up that much.
How old is he now… how long till he's 18, so he can choose 100% himself, and no authority can dictate where he has to live?
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Old 29.07.2018, 09:18
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An apprenticeship is an excellent thing for your son to be doing! Well done to you, his teacher and the young man himself, for making it possible. Impressive that his marks went up that much.
How old is he now… how long till he's 18, so he can choose 100% himself, and no authority can dictate where he has to live?
He is fifteen now so has just over two and half years to go.
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Old 29.07.2018, 09:46
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Reason given, my beliefs might hamper his personality growth to form his own. (this was in the 1 hour debrief from the expert but ran out of time about my other two children)
That seems a bit odd - can you go into a bit more detail on that one ? Which beliefs exactly did they find so objectionable ? In any case well done to you for being a great Da to your eldest.
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Old 29.07.2018, 11:49
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That seems a bit odd - can you go into a bit more detail on that one ? Which beliefs exactly did they find so objectionable ? In any case well done to you for being a great Da to your eldest.
I only had the one hour de-brief and have not been able to get hold of the report yet. However some of the key points that I wrote down at the time were as follows:

Expert: Your father was not part of my life from about five years old and apparently that had a profound effect on you and not wanting to abandon your eldest son. Your intense desire to be there and support your children but especially your eldest has shaped his personality to share your beliefs including that the law be followed and human rights respected.

Me: You want him to consider breaking the law?

Expert: No?

Me: What then?

Expert: Just that he considers alternatives!

Expert: In a "foyer" he would meet other children with different cultures and beliefs and would benefit from that. The way he is growing up at the moment is too much in your shadow .. you are almost one and the same and he needs to develop his own personality and beliefs.

Expert: There is more details in the report it is 70 pages and it explains there why your sons two siblings should not share more time with him.

I don't believe this either .. I have a real hard time understanding wtf is going on here ... there are obviously more notes than I wrote but this seemed to be the key bits around my eldest son....

As I mentioned above my three children just spent four weeks of their holiday with me, all of them really happy, no arguments, got on well together and generally had a great time.
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I only had the one hour de-brief and have not been able to get hold of the report yet. However some of the key points that I wrote down at the time were as follows:

Expert: Your father was not part of my life from about five years old and apparently that had a profound effect on you and not wanting to abandon your eldest son. Your intense desire to be there and support your children but especially your eldest has shaped his personality to share your beliefs including that the law be followed and human rights respected.

Me: You want him to consider breaking the law?

Expert: No?

Me: What then?

Expert: Just that he considers alternatives!

Expert: In a "foyer" he would meet other children with different cultures and beliefs and would benefit from that.
The way he is growing up at the moment is too much in your shadow .. you are almost one and the same and he needs to develop his own personality and beliefs.

Expert: There is more details in the report it is 70 pages and it explains there why your sons two siblings should not share more time with him.

I don't believe this either .. I have a real hard time understanding wtf is going on here ... there are obviously more notes than I wrote but this seemed to be the key bits around my eldest son....

As I mentioned above my three children just spent four weeks of their holiday with me, all of them really happy, no arguments, got on well together and generally had a great time.
Insane... absolutely bizarre
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I think your expert might need an expert! Do you know his/her qualification levels?

Have you considered involving an independent psychologist/expert to evaluate your son so as to balance out any biased assessments and reports?
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Have you considered involving an independent psychologist/expert to evaluate your son so as to balance out any biased assessments and reports?
For example, one recommended through the teacher who helped ensure that your son has his apprenticeship. She seems to believe in him… and in you.
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I think your expert might need an expert! Do you know his/her qualification levels?

Have you considered involving an independent psychologist/expert to evaluate your son so as to balance out any biased assessments and reports?
As I wrote above my shrink got that expert taken off at least once case and had to be re-done. Also she has lost her calm a couple of times with me so did not come across as being very professional.

Yes an independent report for my son is what we are working on at the moment.
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Expert: especially your eldest has shaped his personality to share your beliefs including that the law be followed and human rights respected.

Me: You want him to consider breaking the law?
Thanks for sharing this. One question: which law would he be breaking?
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Thanks for sharing this. One question: which law would he be breaking?
It was a general question; any law.
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Myself I don't believe that to be the case but my view is biased.
Everyone's views are biased. Just make sure you teach your son that… we're all trying to figure life out as best we can, with whatever we've understood or learnt, and experienced as good, and by rejecting what doesn't help.

Sometimes, we really feel we know that we know that we know, but for most aspects of life, we're just hazarding the best guess we can, given the sum of our lessons and experiences, our knowledge and analysis, plus a portion of instinct and a gut feeling.

Children who learn this from parents or teachers who are honest enough to say so, tend to appreciate the value of amassing those lessons, of hearing the wisdom of others around them and of acquiring real life knowledge, and they grow up to be amongst those who can think for themselves when ready-made answers are not available.
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