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Psychological Counselling/ Resources

A friend who is depressed refuses to get help. I'm trying to help her in the limited ways that I can (sending her uplifting quotes, relevant articles, offering pep talks, listening...) But it's now got to a point where its taking a toll on me. I don't want to abandon her but I find myself feeling emotionally drained after every conversation/interaction and I'd be happiest if she gets the professional help that she needs.


Anyways, so does anyone know if there is any inexpensive psychological counselling resources/centres available for citizens (she is Swiss)? She is out of a job at the moment and no RAV support so may not be able to afford expensive counselling. I'm hoping that if the investment is not too high I might convince her to at least see someone once. Or is everything managed by insurance here?



Please excuse my ignorance as I don't know how it works here. Any inputs on resources will be much appreciated.
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Re: Psychological Counselling/ Resources

Sorry to hear that.

The basic insurance of her health insurance (Krankenkasse) should cover costs of any counselling / treatment through a recognised psychiatrist, no problem.

She would just need to ask for a referral through her GP (Hausarzt) usually. Psychological counselling alone will normally not be paid by the insurance.
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Re: Psychological Counselling/ Resources

As you say, your friend refuses to get help. This a hard situation indeed.

I know of 2 female psychiatrists in Zürich, as they work with my partner who works in a psychiatric clinic and my partner says that these 2 women have a wonderful way with them. Claudia Barger http://www.praxisbarger.ch or Magdalena Berkhoff http://www.praxiswiese.ch/praxis/. I have personally met Dr Berkhoff and found her to be very sympathetic and warm.

I also know of a psychiatrist in Zug whom I personally went to for therapy and found her great. Dr. med. Kys Nicolette, Chamerstrasse 172, 6300 Zug Tel: 079 756 66 38

As far as I know, in CH a referral from a GP is needed to go to a psychologist, but to go to a psychiatrist needs no referral as psychiatrists are doctors. The health insurance pays the majority of costs, a small amount has to be paid by the insuree. (It was so in my case and I am not Swiss).

Hope this is useful. I wish you and your friend all the best.
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As you say, your friend refuses to get help. This a hard situation indeed.

I know of 2 female psychiatrists in Zürich, as they work with my partner who works in a psychiatric clinic and my partner says that these 2 women have a wonderful way with them. Claudia Barger http://www.praxisbarger.ch or Magdalena Berkhoff http://www.praxiswiese.ch/praxis/. I have personally met Dr Berkhoff and found her to be very sympathetic and warm.

I also know of a psychiatrist in Zug whom I personally went to for therapy and found her great. Dr. med. Kys Nicolette, Chamerstrasse 172, 6300 Zug Tel: 079 756 66 38

As far as I know, in CH a referral from a GP is needed to go to a psychologist, but to go to a psychiatrist needs no referral as psychiatrists are doctors. The health insurance pays the majority of costs, a small amount has to be paid by the insuree. (It was so in my case and I am not Swiss).

Hope this is useful. I wish you and your friend all the best.
So would your two referrals be approved and costs covered by the obligatory basic insurance?
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As you say, your friend refuses to get help. This a hard situation indeed.

I know of 2 female psychiatrists in Zürich, as they work with my partner who works in a psychiatric clinic and my partner says that these 2 women have a wonderful way with them. Claudia Barger http://www.praxisbarger.ch or Magdalena Berkhoff http://www.praxiswiese.ch/praxis/. I have personally met Dr Berkhoff and found her to be very sympathetic and warm.

I also know of a psychiatrist in Zug whom I personally went to for therapy and found her great. Dr. med. Kys Nicolette, Chamerstrasse 172, 6300 Zug Tel: 079 756 66 38

As far as I know, in CH a referral from a GP is needed to go to a psychologist, but to go to a psychiatrist needs no referral as psychiatrists are doctors. The health insurance pays the majority of costs, a small amount has to be paid by the insuree. (It was so in my case and I am not Swiss).

Hope this is useful. I wish you and your friend all the best.
Would personally check whether the Krankenkasse lists these /Pchychologists Psychiatrists as accredited for being paid for by the Krankenkasse
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Re: Psychological Counselling/ Resources

Thank you for the helpful suggestions, good to know the Krankenkasse would cover most of the expenses.



I have shared contact details of the psychiatrists recommended here with my friend and asked her to check with her Krankenkasse about reimbursement.



I hope things work out. Unfortunately thus far my friend has reacted badly to any of my suggestions focussing on solutions, she only wants to talk about how bad things are for her etc. Fingers crossed.
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It's great what you are doing. The rest she needs to do for herself, as we all do.
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Re: Psychological Counselling/ Resources

There is also discounted therapy offered by graduate students. I heard they are quite qualified.


https://www.isapzurich.com/en/curren...ngian-analyst/


It is Jungian psychotherapy, which as I understand is focusing a lot on the past, talking about problems, interpreting dreams, etc. which doesn't work for everyone
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Re: Psychological Counselling/ Resources

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As far as I know, in CH a referral from a GP is needed to go to a psychologist, but to go to a psychiatrist needs no referral as psychiatrists are doctors. The health insurance pays the majority of costs, a small amount has to be paid by the insuree. (It was so in my case and I am not Swiss).

Hope this is useful. I wish you and your friend all the best.
It depends on your health insurance model as to whether or not one can go directly to a psychiatrist or one needs to get a GP referral first. Psychiatrists tend to have long waiting lists so many will not take a new patient without a doctors referral in any case. For a psychologists costs to be met by the insurance they have to have a referral from a psychiatrist. At least this was the procedure i experienced a few years ago
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Re: Psychological Counselling/ Resources

I'm not sure why this old-ish thread has been revived, but no matter, since it's now current, there's an explanation of the procedure for getting psychological help or therapy over here:
https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...t-how-get.html
Psychotherapy, what it is and how to get it
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