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Chuff 13.12.2018 10:31

Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
While my teeth could not be considered "bad", I have never been overjoyed with them and have stained them heavily during my years of wine, tea, coffee and smoking. Also I wouldn't say I have the best photo smile in existence. I tried whitening in the past with limited results so am now considering some cosmetic dental surgery options for more long-term results.

What I would like to know is:
  1. Has anyone else here had it or is considering it?
  2. Where did you get it done?
  3. How was the cost?
  4. Positives and negatives?

PS: I am of course also researching all of the above online and have read several articles on the pluses and minuses as well as seen various options in Eastern Europe etc, but am interested to get direct feedback form members here (if at all anyone has had it done or is also considering to get it done. :)

Cheers,

Rich.

Patxi 13.12.2018 11:19

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3022449)
Has anyone else here had it or is considering it?

Yes, I had it done to my 6 front upper teeth about 20 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3022449)
Where did you get it done?

California and India.

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3022449)
How was the cost?

~2000.00 USD 20 years ago in California for 6 teeth. 14,000 rupies (~200 CHFs) for replacement of 1 veneer

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3022449)
Positives and negatives?

Positives: Improved my smile (spaces, discoloration, etc.,..) greatly.

Negatives: Make sure you find a good dentist to perform it.

When I did it initially, my lower teeth would touch the back of the veneers very slightly. I didn't really notice it but after a few years, the harder porcelain ground down the enamel on the lower teeth creating smooth, flat surfaces. I talked to my then current dentist about it and he recommended that I get braces to fix the existing bite issues that should have been dealt with prior to the veneers. I then did Invisalign (~5000 USD) for a year or so to correct the alignment issues. In retrospect, I should have went straight to the Invisalign and the whole veneer business probably would not have been necessary in my case.

If you have any alignment, space issues, etc.,.. I would recommend you get that fixed first. If you don't, then I think that the veneers are good option. When I first got them done, I was told that they would last for about 10 years before some work would need to get done again. Out of my 6, I only had a problem with one in 20 years: cracked after 4 years (repaired with epoxy), cracked again after 10 years (repaired with epoxy), cracked again last year into multiple pieces that was irreparable.

This final crack happened about 10 days before I went to India for holiday. I talked to my dentist here, and found out that the starting cost would be 1200 CHFs to replace that ONE veneer and they would not be able to get it fixed before my trip (you need to get your tooth prepped, a mold made and the veneer takes at least a week to get built before it can get attached). I found a "reputable" looking dentist in New Delhi and booked an appointment for the 1st day after arrival. First impressions of the office and staff were good (nothing like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8tIjTykbE) so I went for it. They prepped my tooth, made a mold and gave me a temporary crown to wear while traveling around. I went back to the office 2.5 weeks later, got my new veneer installed, paid my ~200 CHFs and was on my way. For any future work I need, I will definitely head back.

swisspea 13.12.2018 12:19

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
I am not sure that veneers are recommended unless you've quit smoking.


But anyway, I recommend cosmodent at the hauptbahnhof if you're more interested in excellent service and advice, but not looking for a cheap option.


I don't have time to travel and stuff around with finding a cheaper dentist. I prefer to have someone local and spread the cost out over time, when it's convenient to me...

krlock3 13.12.2018 14:01

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
I highly recommend Dr Eberbach at Zahnarztzentrum in Winterthur for this kind of thing. There is no hard sell, he explains the options carefully and the standard of care is very good. I did not have anything invasive done. I had braces for straightening, and then cleaning. Doing it that way takes awhile but I would really avoid more invasive techniques unless there are no other options. Wearing braces as an adult is a little weird at first but you get used to it very quickly. For me it was a good experience and I would highly recommend him for any work of this nature.

Guest 13.12.2018 14:57

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3022449)
While my teeth could not be considered "bad", I have never been overjoyed with them and have stained them heavily during my years of wine, tea, coffee and smoking. Also I wouldn't say I have the best photo smile in existence. I tried whitening in the past with limited results so am now considering some cosmetic dental surgery options for more long-term results.

What I would like to know is:
  1. Has anyone else here had it or is considering it?
  2. Where did you get it done?
  3. How was the cost?
  4. Positives and negatives?

PS: I am of course also researching all of the above online and have read several articles on the pluses and minuses as well as seen various options in Eastern Europe etc, but am interested to get direct feedback form members here (if at all anyone has had it done or is also considering to get it done. :)

Cheers,

Rich.


Who you trying to chat up ?

TheSpouse 13.12.2018 15:00

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Hubs is undergoing this right now in Lausanne, don't know where, but I will find out. He had an old crown on a front tooth that had slipped over the course of 40 years. And the other seven top front teeth were crooked and discolored.


The dentist is in the process of veneering all 8 top front teeth. It seems, to me, to be taking a very long time. He has been to see the dentist at least 5 times over the last three months and they are still not done.


I don't know whether this is normal, whether this is because of the one crown in the front, or whether this dentist is just slow. My husband seems to think this guy is good and is just very thorough.


We have dental insurance so we are not paying for this, but I can find out how much it all costs and repost it on here. Mind you, it will be a lot because of the crown which added extra costs.

krlock3 13.12.2018 15:18

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
How do you get dental insurance to avoid paying for all of this? Is that common?

Chuff 13.12.2018 15:25

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
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Originally Posted by krlock3 (Post 3022532)
How do you get dental insurance to avoid paying for all of this? Is that common?

Indeed, as far as I am aware insurance only pay if it is for genuine medical reasons? Usually cosmetic is not covered.

Still, very nice outcome ( as long as the dentist does a decent job in the end)!

TheSpouse 13.12.2018 16:59

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by krlock3 (Post 3022532)
How do you get dental insurance to avoid paying for all of this? Is that common?

No, it is quite uncommon. My husband is one of those old dinosaurs with those golden ex-pat contracts. His giant, multinational company has global insurance that covers dental, drugs and medical. (All of our claims are administered by Cigna International, but, in reality, his company is self-insured.)



However, I think that in this instance, it is not cosmetic because his front tooth was a crown, i.e. there was really no tooth underneath there at all. Maybe some of it is cosmetic, but there is also a medical issue because the crown was falling off and there is some gum loss and it was also killing the other front tooth next to it.


In a nutshell, it was gross.

Carolyn7 13.12.2018 21:23

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
I had my front 6 teeth veneered about 20 years ago. They were great for the first 10 years, but have gradually deteriorated. I had them done in Germany, for about 3,000 Euros at the time. The dentist I see here says he thinks it would be better to replace them with crowns - he's a young guy but doesn't seem to think veneers are ever a good choice. I would love to get them all fixed with crowns - and a couple really need doing soon - but don't want to pay Swiss prices, so a bit stuck at the moment.

Blueangel 13.12.2018 21:58

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
I had veneers put on my front four top teeth back in 1994 to cover the chips caused by an accident in time for my wedding. All the work was done by usual dentist for a total of approx. 480.

Later on, in 2009, I joined a new dental practice close to my work in Manchester. My new dentist was the genius Dr. Lance Knight, who had lots of celeb patients but still took NHS patients too. I'd still say he's one of the best cosmetic dentists around, but I'm not sure where he's based now. If you look at Google photos of Shaun Ryder of the Happy Mondays, Lance Knight is the guy who fixed his teeth.

greenmount 13.12.2018 22:50

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3022457)

This final crack happened about 10 days before I went to India for holiday. I talked to my dentist here, and found out that the starting cost would be 1200 CHFs to replace that ONE veneer and they would not be able to get it fixed before my trip (you need to get your tooth prepped, a mold made and the veneer takes at least a week to get built before it can get attached). I found a "reputable" looking dentist in New Delhi and booked an appointment for the 1st day after arrival. First impressions of the office and staff were good (nothing like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8tIjTykbE) so I went for it. They prepped my tooth, made a mold and gave me a temporary crown to wear while traveling around. I went back to the office 2.5 weeks later, got my new veneer installed, paid my ~200 CHFs and was on my way. For any future work I need, I will definitely head back.

Quite a lot of travelling for a thing you can do in Austria for a third or less from what would cost you in Switzerland. I'm not even saying Hungary or Czech R. etc. because you don't always hear of satisfied customers.
I don't have and don't plan but a friend of mine has done it in Austria and it was very OK - quality and costs.


My only "problem" with this veneer treatment that I've seen many people have - is that it looks a bit....too perfect. When it's really needed due to various causes it's OK, otherwise...meh. But of course, de gustibus and all that.
And Richdog, whitening should work if it's done correctly. My DH was talking about how difficult it was to whiten her brother's teeth but she did it in two sessions and there are no problems now. Also, after the initial treatment you always have to do it periodically. This bit I know from OH...I'm a bit ashamed to say I have white teeth all au naturel.


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Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 3022457)

If you have any alignment, space issues, etc.,.. I would recommend you get that fixed first. If you don't, then I think that the veneers are good option.
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This, absolutely. Find a good orhtodontist first.

JagWaugh 13.12.2018 23:03

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
You're a dog: https://www.milkbone.com/products/br...s/small-medium

TheSpouse 13.12.2018 23:25

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Richdog, husband is home and tells me that it was only his four front teeth. It was about 4000 chf, or about 1000 chf per tooth. It took 2.5 months but that was because his temporary set broke and that caused a set back.


He LOVED his dentist, Dr. Tomas, who works here: https://www.hygienedentairelausanne.ch/en/



He highly recommends.

joroianev 15.12.2018 10:52

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Rich,


As a Prosthodontist specialist I do a lot of reconstruction dentistry cases in our practice in Cham. For best results I typically use a combination of Invisalign and veneers. The purpose of doing Invisalign first is to align the teeth and avoid periodontal problems down the line. The veneers then go onto your teeth to hide any spots, chipping or other cosmetic imperfections you may have on your teeth.


The biggest issue with reconstructive dentistry is that the patient only sees the result at the end. What if the patient does not like the result then, after all that work is already done? To solve this issue, I started offering the Digital Smile Design procedure - basically a series of extra-and-intra oral photos/pictures before the procedure and then simulation of the treatment's end result/look. Normally we can offer at least two treatment paths that lead to the desired outcome. All treatment options are reviewed with the patient; it is an extra 400 CHF investment, but removes any unwanted surprises & disappointments from the procedures - i.e. the patient knows what to expect before the treatment is started.


Sincerely,
Dr. Ianev

itsjess 20.06.2022 16:39

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Bumping this rather historical thread as I have the same questions that Chuff once had...
* have you gone on a 'dental tourism' holiday?
* what work did you have done?
* any regrets?

I am considering going to Turkey for some dental work; specifically, https://sevilsmile.com/ in Antalya. I have awful teeth and want them fixed; I sent some photographs to Sevil Smile who indicated that my teeth weren't suitable for veneers (as they're not straight), however they could do zirconia crowns instead.

The given price range was 5-7k for up to 20 crowns (I know that's a bonkers amount of crowns).

Sevil seem to have an unusually high rating on Trustpilot, primarily from British clients. But being cynical, who knows how trustworthy Trustpilot is? :confused:

So... if anyone has any dental advice, recommendations, horror stories or success stories to share - please let me know.

Cherub 20.06.2022 17:48

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Having seen some of the z list "celebrities" in Britain who have had their teeth done in Turkey I'd be really careful, most of them look like Mr Ed the Talking Horse :eek:

TheSpouse 20.06.2022 17:50

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Well, I can update you. My husband's teeth look absolutely ridiculous. It is four years on and his four front teeth are obviously fake.



Veneers are so evident when compared to your other (appropriately aged) teeth that you look like a horse.


Don't do it. Find some other way.

Bossa Nova 20.06.2022 18:27

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by krlock3 (Post 3022487)
Wearing braces as an adult is a little weird at first but you get used to it very quickly. For me it was a good experience and I would highly recommend him for any work of this nature.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpouse (Post 3417856)
Well, I can update you. My husband's teeth look absolutely ridiculous. It is four years on and his four front teeth are obviously fake.

Veneers are so evident when compared to your other (appropriately aged) teeth that you look like a horse.

Don't do it. Find some other way.

I totally agree with the above, try to make the best of the teeth you have even it means wearing braces as as adult, and for the love of god never touch veneers. If your average gabillionaire celebrity can't find a dentist who can make realistic-looking veneers, for sure don't expect you can find a cut-rate dentist in Istanbul to do a good job. Veneers will always look like fake teeth.

I have worn braces for a bit more than a year, and like krlock3 said as an adult it might seem weird, but surely it's no more awkward than having them as a teenager??? (If anything, with teenage angst it's probably worse to have them when you're younger, as an adult it's a breeze.) Just suck up the discomfort for however many months are necessary, and then reap the benefits. If you might need some bleaching afterwards this can easily be done locally in-clinic for a relatively small cost. I have had enough complicated dental work done over time to appreciate having work done by a local professional who knows my history, even if it comes at a premium cost. I would never attempt dental tourism, have heard almost nothing but complications and horror stories. Especially seeing The Spouse's initial positive story in this thread, which later turned into a negative outcome. Dental treatments that are (a) cheap or (b) involve making fake teeth almost always seem to end badly.

@itsjess, dare I ask what services you are considering?

Bossa Nova 20.06.2022 18:44

Re: Dental veneer cosmetic surgery... anyone had them (in CH or otherwise)?
 
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Originally Posted by itsjess (Post 3417838)
I am considering going to Turkey for some dental work; specifically, https://sevilsmile.com/ in Antalya. I have awful teeth and want them fixed; I sent some photographs to Sevil Smile who indicated that my teeth weren't suitable for veneers (as they're not straight), however they could do zirconia crowns instead.

The given price range was €5-7k for up to 20 crowns (I know that's a bonkers amount of crowns).

Did they not suggest braces? I've had them and it worked amazingly well, you just need to be patient. This clinic's proposal of making 20 crowns to even up your smile seems like borderline medical malpractice to me. I'd run away from this clinic as quickly as possible, and find a place that seems to actually care about the health of your teeth, and preserving your natural smile as much as possible...


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