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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

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After digging around a bit it would appear that the first dentist is only interested in making money and their practices would appear to be a bit unethical.
This.

It seems to be a big problem in Switzerland, there being an over-supply of dentists and some desperate to make money. There was an article in Beobachter not too long ago where they basically sent the same people to see different dentists with the same problem and they all came back with a huge range of different diagnoses, some of them totally wrong, some even borderline irresponsible and many dentists going for an overkill rather than an appropriate treatment.

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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

This might be of interest.

It appears to be a website where you can get different dentists to bid for a job.

https://www.zahnarztvergleich.ch/
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10 to 20K sounds about right to me. I know it sounds ridiculous, but that's how it is.

I understand a lot of Swiss people go to Hungary, where they pay about a quarter of that, or less. I'm talking adult braces here. I don't know if kids braces are significantly different.

Germany is also an option of course and plenty of dentists along the border live almost entirely off Swiss patients. If you go deeper into Germany it gets cheaper still.
Hugely expensive in UK too (S London region)- for our grandson. But going further afield is just not sensible, as braces need constant adjustments. Thankfully coming off before they come skiing (he is 12).
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Hugely expensive in UK too (S London region)- for our grandson. But going further afield is just not sensible, as braces need constant adjustments. Thankfully coming off before they come skiing (he is 12).
I understand that these days its fashionable to not have braces that are cemented in, but to go for one-piece plastic braces that I think are 3D printed in a central lab. Basically you get a set and at the end of every week you throw out the old one and put in the next and little by little the braces move your teeth. That way you only need to go for check ups every two months or so.
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The overbite issue / part of the process will be taken car of (at least in part) by LaMal. Did the orthodontist mention this?
Thank you for this! I have a daughter with braces and she has a overbite.

If it is LaMal does that mean it is covered by the basic assurance?
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I understand that these days its fashionable to not have braces that are cemented in, but to go for one-piece plastic braces that I think are 3D printed in a central lab. Basically you get a set and at the end of every week you throw out the old one and put in the next and little by little the braces move your teeth. That way you only need to go for check ups every two months or so.
Yes, the ones grandson has. But even if only every few months, flying to Hungary or drive 100s of miles to deeper Germany, etc is not really that appealing. He had quite marked overbite.
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This.

It seems to be a big problem in Switzerland, there being an over-supply of dentists and some desperate to make money. There was an article in Beobachter not too long ago where they basically sent the same people to see different dentists with the same problem and they all came back with a huge range of different diagnoses, some of them totally wrong, some even borderline irresponsible and many dentists going for an overkill rather than an appropriate treatment.
It's funny, our dentist has the opposite view - some dentists have over-inflated egos and even if there's something they are not experts in they're reluctant to send patients to a different specialist e.g. orthodontists.

Anyway, we might be among the rare birds totally happy with our Swiss dentist's expertise.
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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

[QUOTE=robogobo;3037533]But the rationale is that it's better for his "social feelings" to do it sooner rather than later, as if braces when he's 14 will scare off the ladies. Pretty stupid but once the dentist said that in front of my son, the boy agreed. When I was his age I would have been happy to keep the girls away!

Perhaps your son could get braces on the inside of his teeth? There is a minimal difference in cost. I have them (as did my sister) and have not experienced any problems.

I attempted to attach photos, I am on the bus to school, not managing to correct the sizing, will send them over lunchtime.
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But the rationale is that it's better for his "social feelings" to do it sooner rather than later, as if braces when he's 14 will scare off the ladies. Pretty stupid but once the dentist said that in front of my son, the boy agreed. When I was his age I would have been happy to keep the girls away!

Perhaps your son could get braces on the inside of his teeth? There is a minimal difference in cost. I have them (as did my sister) and have not experienced any problems.

I attempted to attach photos, I am on the bus to school, not managing to correct the sizing, will send them over lunchtime.
That's very nice of you, gymigirl, really. I think it's OK if you don't send photos, the person you replied to has all the info they need. They could google that type of braces or ask their dentist.

Take care and all the best with your school endeavour!
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My 10yo son needs braces. We've been quoted 11,000+ Fr. by a dentist/orthodontist. Needless to say, a bit shocked by the price. We went to get a second opinion, and the dentist said she would need to do the same measurements and evaluation agains for herself, which would cost over a thousand francs. Ugh. This is how they keep people from shopping around.

Anyway, I thought I'd put it out the the EF and see if anyone has experience with preteen braces and the price you paid. We're looking at a two year period with adjustments every two weeks. We would probably stay in Switzerland because of the frequency, and because our insurance will pay a portion.

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10K approx in Zug for my 11 year old, someone I know was quoted 15K guess depends on level of work needed
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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

for reference, our orthodontist said the cost will be around 9.5K for straightening and overbite. It is not a fixed price so we will have to see where we end up.
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The overbite issue / part of the process will be taken car of (at least in part) by LaMal. Did the orthodontist mention this?
https://www.sso.ch/fileadmin/upload_...gskosten_f.pdf

LaMal only covers cost for dental treatment in case of severe illness and accident. In the list they provide there is no over / underbite.

If applicable the dentist needs to ask permission to the insurer before the procedure (not in case of urgency)
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for reference, our orthodontist said the cost will be around 9.5K for straightening and overbite. It is not a fixed price so we will have to see where we end up.
Mine was same they just give you an approximation and you have to sign to agree to it😂
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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

Depending on what actually needs to be fixed, 11k sounds perfectly normal. Not every issue is a simple one.

I had braces, both lower and upper jaw, as a teenager, cost North of 20k, but I had a small jaw, very little space, teeth were all over the place. Correcting it took all in all around 3 or 3.5 years (don't recall exactly). Given the time frame, the cost shouldn't come as a surprise. It's not like you walk in twice and are done after 3 months. I went to the dentist at least once every couple of weeks, more during the "active brace-wearing stage", so of course that's not cheap.

As an adult, I did an aesthetic correction of a tooth in my upper jaw that had slightly moved again and appeared a bit crooked (more to my eyes than anyone else's). Cost me 4500.- for lingual braces and took 9 months to fix. Currently fixing a minor aesthetic issue in the lower jaw with Invisalign for 2000.-, duration is all of 7 weeks. But that's adults and there's no complicated procedure involved, plus it's purely cosmetic corrections.

Make sure they put in proper retainers and that that's included in the price. Mine didn't at the time, hence the need for another ortho treatment 20 years later...

Depending on insurance, part or all of the treatment is covered (for children < 18, I'm quite sure a decent insurance covers at least 50% of the actual costs, or even more in some cases). I have complementary insurance and they even covered a part of my adult aesthetic corrections. I planned carefully and started treatment late in one year and pushed over three calendar years (first part, upper jaw) and two calendar years (second part, lower jaw), so my actual cost was marginal.
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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

1000 CHF looks more like the cost of treatment planning (in our case it was 1200). It includes x-rays and a plaster model. But it is done only after the parents got an overview of needed treatment and costs and agree to proceed to the treatment planning by signing a quote.

An initial consultation, when an orthodontist looks into your kid's mouth and gives you a short overview of a situation and possible treatment methods and gives you an idea of the costs is about 150 CHF, but not 1000.
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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

I just recalled, many years ago when I was about 10 or 11, my then dentist spotted a problem and removed 4 back teeth, one from each corner, to allow the other teeth to spread out into the gap. This was very effective and saved me having to wear braces.

When my boy was about 9 and we saw he had this problem, the (Swiss) dentist said he'd need braces and it would cost in the region of chf20,000. I mentioned what had happened to me and he was not keen saying braces are better and safer!! Better for his pocket more likely.
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I just recalled, many years ago when I was about 10 or 11, my then dentist spotted a problem and removed 4 back teeth, one from each corner, to allow the other teeth to spread out into the gap. This was very effective and saved me having to wear braces.
Alternatively a kid can wear a palatal expander - special device to widen the upper jaw. It seems strange to me that some people say that you don't have to do anything before your kid has turned 12 or has all the adult teeth. Sometimes early start of an orthodontic treatment can help to avoid extraction of teeth or reduce the time of wearing braces (or even eliminate the need to wear braces at all).
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Alternatively a kid can wear a palatal expander - special device to widen the upper jaw. It seems strange to me that some people say that you don't have to do anything before your kid has turned 12 or has all the adult teeth.
I don't think anyone wrote "anything". Obviously it's some conditions that should be started earlier and others later.

Apologies if you are a dentist - I'm not so I have to take what the dentists say as gospel.
The problem comes when another dentist says that the treatment programme suggested by the first one is completely wrong for a child that age, for that particular condition.
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I don't think anyone wrote "anything". Obviously it's some conditions that should be started earlier and others later.

Apologies if you are a dentist - I'm not so I have to take what the dentists say as gospel.
The problem comes when another dentist says that the treatment programme suggested by the first one is completely wrong for a child that age, for that particular condition.
I don't mean this forum, I hear this in real life (that's why I wrote "say").

The difference in opinions among different doctors exists in other medical fields as well, orthodontics is not an exception. You have to use common sense. In the case of my daughter, for example, the orthodontist named the same issues that my husband has now (obviously, because of absence of treatment in his childhood), so for me there was no reason not to believe her. But as I wrote above, you do not have to pay 1000 CHF just to receive a second opinion with rough estimation of what the treatment costs could be. Paying up to 150 CHF for an opinion is not that huge amount if you could potentially save 11 000 CHF and avoid unnecessary discomfort for the kid.
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Re: Cost for dental braces for 10yo

Thanks everyone for the EXTREMELY useful information. It's clear we have some homework to do!

And yes, the conflicting doctor's opinions and price differences are really disconcerting, in any situation. We've been through this before with doctors and hospitals and it's never easy. When insurance is paying for it, you can at least focus on sorting through the decisions of what's objectively best for the child. But when the price with one doc is double that of another, there's a huge feeling of confusion/suspicion/not knowing what the right move is. I can't predict the future, and especially in die Schweiz you're supposed to just "trust the expert".
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