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Why is tACS not bound to work for someone? I have attached an article below. Actually I could attach many artiles. I have seen some amazing results. There many articles. I have attached one FYI. It along with other stiimulations have become very popular now adays partly because it is non invas

The work that I do is about helping people to to become self dependent. The training I do is self regulation. Many of the medications are dependent orientated with numberous side effects.

CBT is also something that is invasive and does not help with self regultion.

In my opinion it is about finding a way of living that is best each one of us.
tACS may be non invasive but it still seems like electro shock therapy rebranded. That link you proved was about a study of 32 people and the results were coulda/shoulda. How have you had successes with something like this? Sounds like so much snake oil to me.

What on earth has self regulation got to do with depression/anxiety? Why is CBT invasive? Really? What does "dependent orientated" mean? Coaching isn't the same as counselling/therapy.

I'd agree we all need to find what works for us but dismissing proven medical techniques out of hand is troubling. Peddling this tACs thing that the FDA don't approve for clinical use (as a quick Google would seem to indicate) is more so.

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Why is tACS not bound to work for someone? I have attached an article below. Actually I could attach many artiles. I have seen some amazing results. There many articles. I have attached one FYI. It along with other stiimulations have become very popular now adays partly because it is non invasive. But one needs to be careful and should have someone who knows what they are doing.

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The work that I do is about helping people to to become self dependent. The training I do is self regulation. Many of the medications are dependent orientated with numberous side effects.

CBT is also something that is invasive and does not help with self regultion.

In my opinion it is about finding a way of living that is best each one of us.
I agree.

I think all methods are potentially not working for some, if they are not on board, for example, it happens. Control, preserving self image, etc. I don't think any method is an ultimate solution for all people affected. I do, however, think it has more potential for long term effect than CBT. I believe that you can attach many more papers, I know that you know what you talk about. CBT is habit forming, consciously, while ignoring what we want, subconsciously. Relabelling can only trick our brain to the extent that superfitial semantics can. Short term. Self-regulation is a form of control, btw. But if one understands onself well, you stop overriding with willpower before it backfires. CBT doesn't permit backfiring until it actually backfires. Again.
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I agree.

I think all methods are potentially not working for some, if they are not on board, for example, it happens. Control, prerserving self image, etc. I don't think any method is an ultimate resolution for all people affected. I do however think it has more potential for long term effect than CBT. I believe you can attach many more papers, I know that you know what you talk about. CBT is habit formimng, consciously, while ignoring what we want, subconsciously. Relabeling can only trick our brain to the extent that superfitial semantics does. Short term. Self-regulation is a form of control, btw. But if one understands onself well, you stop overriding with willpower before it backfires. CBT doesn't permit backfiring until it actually does. Again.
What on earth is this? Have you used CBT?
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What on earth is this? Have you used CBT?
Sounds like it's being confused with CBD maybe?

"Habit forming"?
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Not every method will work for every person. However, techniques like CBT have been shown to work, in many situations.

Meds don‘t work for every situation. But when they do, they are a great thing. Sometimes you need to be „dependent“ on a medication to manage a condition. It is not shameful.

I don‘t know enough about the electrical stimulation stuff....although I used to work for UNC, the place where the small study took place, and I suspect there will be more work in that regard.

The same UNC, has a very active eating disorders treatment program where they use CBT and meds.

Training is a vague word....something one learns in therapy is a sort of training
to manage anxiety- reframing threats as opportunities, learning to accept randomness as not one‘s fault, and etc. I guess there are side effects with that too.

What I dislike is tearing down one treatment method in an effort to build up another. It‘s not a competition. It‘s good to have choice. And to try different things.

The worst side effect of all is leaving something untreated when it won‘t go away on its own.
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Not every method will work for every person. However, techniques like CBT have been shown to work, in many situations.

Meds don‘t work for every situation. But when they do, they are a great thing. Sometimes you need to be „dependent“ on a medication to manage a condition. It is not shameful.

I don‘t know enough about the electrical stimulation stuff....although I used to work for UNC, the place where the small study took place, and I suspect there will be more work in that regard.

The same UNC, has a very active eating disorders treatment program where they use CBT and meds.

Training is a vague word....something one learns in therapy is a sort of training
to manage anxiety- reframing threats as opportunities, learning to accept randomness as not one‘s fault, and etc. I guess there are side effects with that too.

What I dislike is tearing down one treatment method in an effort to build up another. It‘s not a competition. It‘s good to have choice. And to try different things.

The worst side effect of all is leaving something untreated when it won‘t go away on its own.
As long as there is choice and opinions/experiences/ideas can be shared.

I, personally, am glad that Focus brought up the issue, since it is completely alligned with some of the neurosci studies I did at the EPFL

I also believe, probably as him, that relabelling/reframing or training based on volition will not work with some brains.
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As long as there is choice and opinions/experiences/ideas can be shared.
Yes, as long as ideas can be shared without denegrating users of methods one doesn‘t promote. Otherwise, there is a commercial section for such information.
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Glad you let members decide for themselves about what they see as marketing and what as experience/expertise/passion talking

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Glad you let members decide for themselves about what they see as marketing and what as experience/expertise/passion talking

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As long as it's equal opportunities, sure.
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Glad you let members decide for themselves about what they see as marketing and what as experience/expertise/passion talking

No denigration, no volunteers for policing needed, either.
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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

Regarding eletrostimmulation, we have come a long way since electro shock therapy. We do brain maps or qeeg(quantitative eletroencephliograms) now and see how the brain functions or dysfunctions. Then we can decide based upon an assessment and the QEEG. Rather than just based upon an opinion it is now much more scientific. It is how the brain functions.

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/44/15775

Biofeedback/Neurofeedback is based on conditioning from the Pavlov and his dogs. Neuroscience is about measurement and then feeding back information to the individual so that they can learn. The training side is about repetition Self regulation is about knowing what I need to do for me. It is about self care. How can I affect myself rather that trying to make it happen. Rather the depending on something or someone.With biofeedback we can learn that we can affect our heartrate to calm ourselevs and see if we are doing the correct breathing.

In regard to anxiety, thre brain is producing a lot of what we call high beta. The brain is highly connected in high frequency. It can become stuck in a repetition. So the best is to learn to be able to to turn on and turn off. But for people with high anxiety they become perfectionists and have trouble admitting this until they burnout. They are highly driven and often use alcohol or drugs to turn off. I have had many cleints who say they have to or should. When I ask what do they want they do not know. Depression can also be a rsult of not achieving the desired state the are trying to achieve.

People also need to know that the brains function can be altered due to a hit on the head. The functioning of the brain has been altered. The result can be fatigue, concentration issues, anxiety, dizzyness, etc. This can last for years. All the talking in the world nor medications will not change this as the brain's function has been altered. Talking may help to accept the but will not change the functioning. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Fortunately people are becoming aware this. Also people really need to be careful about protecting their brains by wearing helmets.

So we need to start questioning some of the old beliefs. We need to question the Drs. If they can not anser your questions find one that can.

There is a whole new stream of people such as Drs, coaches, therapists who are very knowledagable and really want to help and make a diffference. They are involved with neuroscience, nutrition etc, But there are many who have very little experience. Before you pay for services find out about their education and experience.

And yes, there has been a confusion bewtween CBT and CBD. CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy and the other is cannabidiol.

In regard taking anything , in my opinion you really need to do your homework. Last week I was given medication by a Dr. I went home and checked the computer and read about it and saw many side effects. I returned it. I have seen a few Drs. the past months because I am a little older now plus I have diabetes. I went on the big diet a numbers ago , took off weight and did not need meds. The past year or so I fell off my diet a little and now need to get back on and be very careful about what I eat. In all cases the Drs. have given me meds with not alternative suggestions.

In regards to depression and meds. I have helped a number of people off. But it needs titration. Slowly get off the meds . If you do it too quickly the brain will react negatively and you get back on again. Meds can help to stop but I think you should do so withthe idea and getting off. That it is a temporary.

Now I am not promoting my services or method. All of the above I have experienced my self. I have done self training with tremendous results. 21 years ago I started training people. To my amazement I helped people who had been to Drs. but did not get the help they needed. And I am not a Dr.

If you are prepared to do some work rather than looking for a quick fix it works.
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Thank you. That's all we need to know.
I thought it was obvious.

Amazing though is not? That because I am not a Dr. my opinion is not worth it. We believe that because a person is a Dr. that they have all of the answers. That they can do no wrong. Time to wake up.

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I will take the opportunity to post a link to my website to let you know a little about me and my equipment.

Once again I am not into trying to promote to sell. I am 66 years of age and am into a kind of smei retirement.

The page needs to be updated.

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Here’s the thing that I take exception to. The idea that meds are a quick fix and what you propose is work. But the truth is that meds are not a silver bullet and when accompanied by therapy, it takes time. And there are other things one does to promote wellness along with therapy and meds.

I’ve no question the techniques focus does work on some and that’s great. If people want to try it, great. But don’t make people feel lazy or bad for trying other means.
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Regarding eletrostimmulation, we have come a long way since electro shock therapy. We do brain maps or qeeg(quantitative eletroencephliograms) now and see how the brain functions or dysfunctions. Then we can decide based upon an assessment and the QEEG. Rather than just based upon an opinion it is now much more scientific. It is how the brain functions.

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/44/15775

Biofeedback/Neurofeedback is based on conditioning from the Pavlov and his dogs. Neuroscience is about measurement and then feeding back information to the individual so that they can learn. The training side is about repetition Self regulation is about knowing what I need to do for me. It is about self care. How can I affect myself rather that trying to make it happen. Rather the depending on something or someone.With biofeedback we can learn that we can affect our heartrate to calm ourselevs and see if we are doing the correct breathing.

In regard to anxiety, thre brain is producing a lot of what we call high beta. The brain is highly connected in high frequency. It can become stuck in a repetition. So the best is to learn to be able to to turn on and turn off. But for people with high anxiety they become perfectionists and have trouble admitting this until they burnout. They are highly driven and often use alcohol or drugs to turn off. I have had many cleints who say they have to or should. When I ask what do they want they do not know. Depression can also be a rsult of not achieving the desired state the are trying to achieve.

People also need to know that the brains function can be altered due to a hit on the head. The functioning of the brain has been altered. The result can be fatigue, concentration issues, anxiety, dizzyness, etc. This can last for years. All the talking in the world nor medications will not change this as the brain's function has been altered. Talking may help to accept the but will not change the functioning. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Fortunately people are becoming aware this. Also people really need to be careful about protecting their brains by wearing helmets.

So we need to start questioning some of the old beliefs. We need to question the Drs. If they can not anser your questions find one that can.

There is a whole new stream of people such as Drs, coaches, therapists who are very knowledagable and really want to help and make a diffference. They are involved with neuroscience, nutrition etc, But there are many who have very little experience. Before you pay for services find out about their education and experience.

And yes, there has been a confusion bewtween CBT and CBD. CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy and the other is cannabidiol.

In regard taking anything , in my opinion you really need to do your homework. Last week I was given medication by a Dr. I went home and checked the computer and read about it and saw many side effects. I returned it. I have seen a few Drs. the past months because I am a little older now plus I have diabetes. I went on the big diet a numbers ago , took off weight and did not need meds. The past year or so I fell off my diet a little and now need to get back on and be very careful about what I eat. In all cases the Drs. have given me meds with not alternative suggestions.

In regards to depression and meds. I have helped a number of people off. But it needs titration. Slowly get off the meds . If you do it too quickly the brain will react negatively and you get back on again. Meds can help to stop but I think you should do so withthe idea and getting off. That it is a temporary.

Now I am not promoting my services or method. All of the above I have experienced my self. I have done self training with tremendous results. 21 years ago I started training people. To my amazement I helped people who had been to Drs. but did not get the help they needed. And I am not a Dr.

If you are prepared to do some work rather than looking for a quick fix it works.
I know Drs who would agree with you.
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Here’s the thing that I take exception to. The idea that meds are a quick fix and what you propose is work. But the truth is that meds are not a silver bullet and when accompanied by therapy, it takes time. And there are other things one does to promote wellness along with therapy and meds.

I’ve no question the techniques focus does work on some and that’s great. If people want to try it, great. But don’t make people feel lazy or bad for trying other means.
This, exactly. And the intimation that depression/anxiety is something we may be doing to ourselves is unpleasant and untrue.

I'm glad some of your sessions have had positive results but dismissing other things out of hand is, At best, unhelpful.

I'd still like to know what is invasive about CBT.

Regarding your diabetes, very happy you've been able to regulate yours with diet however Type 1 diabetics will still need insulin because they don't produce it, to suggest otherwise is dangerous.
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This, exactly. And the intimation that depression/anxiety is something we may be doing to ourselves is unpleasant and untrue.

I'm glad some of your sessions have had positive results but dismissing other things out of hand is, At best, unhelpful.

I'd still like to know what is invasive about CBT.

Regarding your diabetes, very happy you've been able to regulate yours with diet however Type 1 diabetics will still need insulin because they don't produce it, to suggest otherwise is dangerous.
Not suggesting that depression and anxiety is what we do to ourselevs. Our environments have a big affect.

I am not dismissing. I am suggestion to question. That there are other alternatives. Meditatioin, yoga, diet are so important.

There was a mistake on CBT vs CBD.

Yes, I am type 2. And you are correct on Type 1. I did not and would not suggest otherwise.
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