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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

I would take "Dr. Mercola" with a pinch of salt. Doesn't take much googling to out him as a bit of a quack...

Anti-vaxxer and homeopathy can "treat" autism. Wow.
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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

Something that people are looking at for autoimmune conditions and possibly mood disorders is Helminthic therapy.

Yes, you host some worms, it influences your biome, gut health and many people report success with it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthic_therapy

Iíve a friend in the US who has done it several times (sheís a physician) on herself and her family and has had some good results.

Mostly diy health care, but shows some promise.
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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

I fear for our average local Dr.

Imagine an EFer showing up asking about electrodes, worms and a treadmill, with a Mercola paper in hand. They will get a straightjacket.

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I fear for our average local Dr.

Imagine an EFer showing up asking about electrodes, worms and a treadmill. They will get a straightjacket.
I think it's simpler than that. People question stuff. If it doesn't stand up to even superficial scrutiny, it's good to call it out. It's not "censoring" or "shooing". Mods denouncing any sign of a challenge is not helpful to the life of a thread.

Local doctors should have the least to fear. At least they are qualified, experienced and regulated. It's quacks with their woo who should be shaking in their shoes.
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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

The question is, how do we get the unregulated worms?
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I think it's simpler than that. People question stuff. If it doesn't stand up to even superficial scrutiny, it's good to call it out. It's not "censoring" or "shooing". Mods denouncing any sign of a challenge is not helpful to the life of a thread.

Local doctors should have the least to fear. At least they are qualified, experienced and regulated. It's quacks with their woo who should be shaking in their shoes.
Actually the world of Drs. is getting competitive and so it should be. A number of years ago I was at a conference and was speaking to a Dr. Professor at a neurology university. She told me that all that the students think about is the money will be making.

My Swiss wife reads Beobachter and there are many stories of people not getting the help from the Drs they should be getting.

We want to believe that the local Drs. are qualified experienced and regulated but this is just not the case. I am on a discussion with some amazing people who have so much knowledge.

Also stories of dentists doing work that is not neccessary.

Also coaches that are doing some pretty bad work.

You need to question and do your research. I tell my clients to question me.
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I fear for our average local Dr.

Imagine an EFer showing up asking about electrodes, worms and a treadmill, with a Mercola paper in hand. They will get a straightjacket.
Docs can handle it.

Tens machines have electrodes and they are fairly well accepted, exercise is always recommended. Iíve given my GP a paper about Helminths and she thinks itís an interesting idea and is supportive if I decide to try it.

But a mercola ďpaperĒ? The guy is a hack. That should warrant a straight jacket.

The Helminth wiki has information on worm suppliers. Purchasing them is a bit of a hassle because you must use bitcoin, unless things have changed. They do ship to Switzerland.
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Can I ask how CBT affects motivation? As I understand it CBT positively affects, not negatively.

And I don't think it's necessarily helpful to warn people off meds. SSRIs etc can help the chemical rebalance, as I understand it. With respect, I don't think you're an M.D. or Psychiatric professional. Individuals react differently to different meds.

I wouldn't say anxiety/depression has anything to do with a comfort zone either. It's one of the least comfortable zones I can imagine.
I have mentioned a couple of times that I made a mistake and exchanged CBT with CBD.

Gosh I was giving that as an example. I totally agree that it is not a comfort zone. I was writing that many people say that they are in their comfort zone. I say no it is not comfortable. That people get stuck in states.
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Actually the world of Drs. is getting competitive and so it should be. A number of years ago I was at a conference and was speaking to a Dr. Professor at a neurology university. She told me that all that the students think about is the money will be making.

My Swiss wife reads Beobachter and there are many stories of people not getting the help from the Drs they should be getting.

Also stories of dentists doing work that is not neccessary.

Also coaches that are doing some pretty bad work.

You need to question and do your research. I tell my clients to question me.
Doctors and dentists are regulated. Quacks not so much, so any dodgy unnecessaries by a doc or dentist are much easier to uncover than the ‘Dr Not-doctor’ types.

Anyone who professes to know what a whole group of people are thinking all the time like your ‘Dr Professor’ at the conference usually sets off alarm bells for me. But I have a naturally twitchy antennae.
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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

Lost of research now about the gut brain connection.
Will not be able to respond as I will be a bit busy for the next number of days.

I guess with this oparticpation, I am just suggesting that people take their lives into their own hands and question.
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I guess with this oparticpation, I am just suggesting that people take their lives into their own hands and question.
The problem for people suffering from a depression is that they struggle to do either of those things.

It is an illness, and it needs medical treatment, but it is a completely different _kind_ of illness - a depression is as unique as the person who suffers it. Some respond to medication, some to therapy, some to a lifestyle change, some to a mixture of all of the above, and more.

But there also some who just have to learn to live with the disease.

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Docs can handle it.

Tens machines have electrodes and they are fairly well accepted, exercise is always recommended. Iíve given my GP a paper about Helminths and she thinks itís an interesting idea and is supportive if I decide to try it.

But a mercola ďpaperĒ? The guy is a hack. That should warrant a straight jacket.

The Helminth wiki has information on worm suppliers. Purchasing them is a bit of a hassle because you must use bitcoin, unless things have changed. They do ship to Switzerland.
I will do my best to not inform certain medical community about the worm option. It was bad enough for them when hundreds of our fishing worms escaped from the fridge over night.
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I will do my best to not inform certain medical community about the worm option. It was bad enough for them when hundreds of our fishing worms escaped from the fridge over night.
These are tiny, microscopic. However, if you feel you must blow the whistle on the worm trade, have at it.
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These are tiny, microscopic. However, if you feel you must blow the whistle on the worm trade, have at it.
Don't exaggerate

It sounds like something I'd try. Probably after the alpha wave synchronization thing Focus wrote about.
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FYI

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Self regulation is about knowing what I need to do for me. It is about self care. How can I affect myself rather that trying to make it happen. Rather the depending on something or someone..
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If you are prepared to do some work rather than looking for a quick fix it works.
It strikes me as inappropriate and peculiarly harsh whenever people with a mental health issue are told to just take control, just be self-detetmined, just go for a brisk walk, meditate, eat salads, research all options thoroughly, make it happen, and be independent. And that if they haven't succeeded in this yet, it is clearly because they weren't prepared to put in the effort.

How very odd, and not adequate to the disorders (including but not only depression and anxiety) nor, as I've observed it, respectful towards the sufferer.

With very rare exceptions (those who gloried in the drama of feeling bad and created cascades of dramatic events to keep the fire burning), I think that everyone I've ever met who had psychological/psychiatric problems knew, with the remaining parts of their hearts that they could still access, what they wanted: to be well. They wanted to be in charge of their own lives, independent of others. They wanted to have the ability to process information, take decisions, and be useful and effective in making good things happen, without needing to rely on others and without being unnecessarily restricted by them. They wanted to be taken seriously in their efforts, insufficient though those may seem to outside critics.

Most of them were already trying, (or had tried) as best they knew how, to attain that balance and sovereignty.

To me, sweeping the anxious amongst them into this homogeneous view seems dangerous.
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.... people with high anxiety they become perfectionists and have trouble admitting this until they burnout. They are highly driven and often use alcohol or drugs to turn off.

Yes, cognitive behavioural therapy can work. For some just a little, for others life-changingly, or during one phase of one's life but not in another, and for others not at all. Same for any method including medication or talking therapies or touch therapies.

Back to OP: because I believe it is disrespectful to the individual's personal mix of dis-ease to make so bold as to promote any one method to the exclusion of others, I recommend that in your search for a psychotherapist, you collect recommendations and then google the person throughly... if you can muster the energy to so do. Therapists whose profiles show their training to be eclectic tend to be less subscribed to one technique and more versatile. I think that's an advantage, especially for a client/patient who has some mix of background and culture.

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It strikes me as inappropriate and peculiarly harsh whenever people with a mental health issue are told to just take control, just be self-detetmined, just go for a brisk walk, meditate, eat salads, research all options thoroughly, make it happen, and be independent. And that if they haven't succeeded in this yet, it is clearly because they weren't prepared to put in the effort.

How very odd, and not adequate to the disorders (including but not only depression and anxiety) nor, as I've observed it, respectful towards the sufferer.

With very rare exceptions (those who gloried in the drama of feeling bad and created cascades of dramatic events to keep the fire burning), I think that everyone I've ever met who had psychological/psychiatric problems knew, with the remaining parts of their hearts that they could still access, what they wanted: to be well. They wanted to be in charge of their own lives, independent of others. They wanted to have the ability to process information, take decisions, and be useful and effective in making good things happen, without needing to rely on others and without being unnecessarily restricted by them. They wanted to be taken seriously in their efforts, insufficient though those may seem to outside critics.

Most of them were already trying, (or had tried) as best they knew how, to attain that balance and sovereignty.

To me, sweeping the anxious amongst them into this homogeneous view seems dangerous.


Yes, cognitive behavioural therapy can work. For some just a little, for others life-changingly, or during one phase of one's life but not in another, and for others not at all. Same for any method including medication or talking therapies or touch therapies. It is disrespectful to the individual's personal mix of dis-ease to make so bold as to promote any one method to the exclusion of others.

Back to OP: in your search for a psychotherapist, I'd recommend collecting recommendations and then googling the person throughly. Therapists whose profiles show their training to be eclectic tend to be less subsribed to one technique and more versatile. I think that's an advantage.
Excellent post-Doropfiz and I completely agree. The one thing I would emphasize is to do one's research. Finding a good therapist for our daughter was like finding a needle in a haystack. We went through many and finally found a good one. I think the issue is: a therapist who works for one may not work for another. It is so relative and based on the individual. We let our daughter "call the shots" so to speak as it is her life/her wellbeing and at the end of the day, to be frank, we were clueless. She alone needed to have "control" as to the therapist whom she felt was the right one for her.

I use the word "control" here as many who suffer from PTSD and trauma struggle with this issue. As an aside, my daughter has made a lot of progress with CBT thanks to her therapist. That said, she still struggles with self-esteem, confidence, and anxiety at times. But I count our blessings on finding a good therapist for her; with his help and her hard work, she has made tremendous strides.

How are you doing Citeradeuse/OP?

Thinking of you!
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Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety

Most people that I know who were suffering from depression had needed some form of medication to be able to get out of the bed! Only after gathering the strenght needed to perform even basic tasks did they go through psychological therapy, altered their life style i.e. increased levels of physical activity and improved diet etc. Or tried alternative therapies.
OP, this is a serious issue, don't leave it unchecked. I know that even your GP can first prescribe you some mild antidepressants, but they will refer you to a specialist for sure. Not saying you shouldn't look for deeper, conscious changes and additional therapies. Take care, wishing you well.
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Most people that I know who were suffering from depression had needed some form of medication to be able to get out of the bed!
Indeed.

This is often mistaken for laziness. It isn't. If it were laziness, then it would at some point become boring.

In a way, depression deprives you of the you who would normally become bored.
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