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citeradieuse 09.03.2019 20:03

Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
Hello all,


Although my life, on paper, seems perfect here in Switzerland, internally I'm struggling and becoming increasingly isolated and withdrawn. While I can hold down a job and I have quite a few friends in Zurich (largely Swiss), meeting friends, bumping into my neighbours in my building and socialising generally is becoming increasingly difficult and stressful for me - more so if I have to navigate my way through dinner conversations in German/Swiss German.



Does anyone know of any therapists, preferably English-speaking, who can provide some guidance to get me out of this rut and back on track. :msnshock: I'm thinking along the lines of CBT.



I would be most grateful.

Island Monkey 09.03.2019 20:20

Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
Sorry you are suffering.... I know exactly how you feel.

My GP referred me to a therapist at my local hospital, that's probably that best place to start.

roegner 09.03.2019 21:14

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Please also have a check up with your GP. Some depressions may come from an underactive thyroid, menopause symptons etc.

And probably your GP can refer to you to a therapist.

Good luck!

Focus 09.03.2019 22:35

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Hi

I am a coach and have worked with many depressed people. All I can say is be careful being prescribed medications. Should always check side effects on the web.

The brain gets stuck. So do not listen to people who say you are in a comfort zone. It is how the brain functions. The new way is with neuroscience. In addition to neurofeedback I have been using Trans cranial Alternating Current Stimulation (tACS) for depression.With these ways we disrupt how the brain functions(rut)

All of this is non invasive.

Careful with CBT. Can affect motivation.

Lastly I help people to become independent and find a way of living that is best for them.

John

terrifisch 09.03.2019 22:53

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Originally Posted by Focus (Post 3049605)
Hi

I am a coach and have worked with many depressed people. All I can say is be careful being prescribed medications. Should always check side effects on the web.

The brain gets stuck. So do not listen to people who say you are in a comfort zone. It is how the brain functions. The new way is with neuroscience. In addition to neurofeedback I have been using Trans cranial Alternating Current Stimulation (tACS) for depression.With these ways we disrupt how the brain functions(rut)

All of this is non invasive.

Careful with CBT. Can affect motivation.

Lastly I help people to become independent and find a way of living that is best for them.

John

OP My daughter suffered from PTSD and depression and CBT was really helpful for her. Medication did not work but CBT did. I gather each individual is different with regards to treatment but I think if you can try to get help in the least invasive way (CBT or maybe neurofeedback) it may help you cope. My daughter had a very bad reaction to the meds she was prescribed and so, perhaps I am biased. I hope you find a way forward.

Best of luck to you!

terrifisch 10.03.2019 00:01

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I wish I knew a therapist in Zurich but my daughter's treatment was in the US. That said, my landlord who lives above me (and is so nice/helpful) grew up in Zurich. I will ask her for references on your behalf.

Hang in there Op! My Mom's favourite maxim is, "This too shall pass"! Words I live by!

Thinking of you and will PM you recommendations my landlord provides...

citeradieuse 10.03.2019 00:42

Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
'This too shall pass' is a good mantra to follow right now ...







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Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3049609)
OP My daughter suffered from PTSD and depression and CBT was really helpful for her. Medication did not work but CBT did. I gather each individual is different with regards to treatment but I think if you can try to get help in the least invasive way (CBT or maybe neurofeedback) it may help you cope. My daughter had a very bad reaction to the meds she was prescribed and so, perhaps I am biased. I hope you find a way forward.

Best of luck to you!


Guest 10.03.2019 10:24

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I am sorry youíre going through this. Iíve been there too, although my issue was anxiety and depression secondary to that.

I also had my therapy in the US, so canít recommend a therapist here. But I hope you can find one. Iíd start with your GP or gynecologist if you have one.

In many people it does get better with time. I was not one of them.

Iím also someone who is successfully treated with meds. In many people they can help. Mine have helped me. People donít talk about it because itís perceived of as weak or some nonsense to require meds. Still in the 21st century. Itís just another tool.

Meds donít work for everyone and the same med wonít work for everyone. And yes, side effects are a possibility. And meds often just help dampen the noise so youíre receptive to therapy. I had to try a few to find a solution.

I think the side effect of not treating is worse.

So anyway, I wish you the best....

exisidiot 10.03.2019 11:49

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Try Bella Glover in Zurich who is native English and does CBT, or Praxis am Zeughaus which is run by a lovely English speaking therapist, Dr Vanessa Tatje. The first is not covered by insurance whilst the second is. The Praxis also can offer medication if needed.

JagWaugh 10.03.2019 12:52

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Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3049619)
Hang in there Op! My Mom's favourite maxim is, "This too shall pass"! Words I live by!

Perhaps, perhaps not.

"Hang on and feel shitty" can become pathological.

Focus 10.03.2019 15:36

Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
For your information

https://www.technologynetworks.com/n...atments-284654

I would also suggest avoid alcoho, it is a depressant.

I would also avoid setting goals. With goals go expectations and when expectations are not met then we can be depressed.

Also having to be happy is a sales job. We are being told that we need to be happy. If we have money and objectives we will be happy. But when we have money and objects we find we are not happy. Lower your expectations and appreciate what you do have.

Focus 10.03.2019 15:56

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One more piece of information. Have you ever had a serious hit to the head. Many people who have hits to the head experience depression. Also experience concentration issues, nausea, fatigue dizzyness, memory, organsiational. All the talking in the world will not help as the brain's function has been altered. Training will help with this.

Also consider your diet.

Lost of talk now about Vitamin D

And for those who are a ittle older B12 deficiency can also cause this

Massa 11.03.2019 13:20

Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
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Originally Posted by citeradieuse (Post 3049533)
Hello all,

Does anyone know of any therapists, preferably English-speaking, who can provide some guidance to get me out of this rut and back on track. :msnshock: I'm thinking along the lines of CBT. I would be most grateful.

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Whilst a lot of the medical profession speak good English as a second language - I'd suggest you might wish to find someone who is a native English speaker so they understand your particular colloquialisms.

A friend went through this and was referred by a GP to a psychiatrist who then recommended a psychotherapist. Rather convoluted but this is what the health insurance wanted...expect to pay anything from CHF150 to CHF250 an hour.

Good luck!

Sonnenbrand 11.03.2019 14:36

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A couple of years back, I met with a native English speaking doc in Zurich. He is conveniently located in Zurich. He helped me overcome some challenges of being newly married and moving to and living in Switzerland. He is professional and easy to talk to. ;)

https://www.bischof-campbell.com/portrait.html

Focus 12.03.2019 21:55

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As I mentioned beforre I have had good success with this with depression.

https://neurosciencenews.com/brain-s...ression-10877/

John

MusicChick 13.03.2019 00:00

Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Focus (Post 3049773)
For your information

https://www.technologynetworks.com/n...atments-284654

I would also suggest avoid alcoho, it is a depressant.

I would also avoid setting goals. With goals go expectations and when expectations are not met then we can be depressed.

Also having to be happy is a sales job. We are being told that we need to be happy. If we have money and objectives we will be happy. But when we have money and objects we find we are not happy. Lower your expectations and appreciate what you do have.

Long term or serious inflammation can apparently set off depression, too, so can apnea.

It is good to see that somebody mentioned CBT and effect on motivation, or long term sustained effectivity. I have read about it but it makes sense, anyways. Considering us not having conscious control over 90-95% of all the activity our brain does, it is logical.

Diet influences mental health mainly through guts and microbiome, imho. EPFL is doing a good research on this.

Anyways, I've read recently that in order to oxygenate our brain and boost the mood and overall feeling of wellbeing and happiness, we should walk/run daily 7kms. I think I do that but considering the fatigue, you drop dead to bed without realizing how much this aerobic thing actually works. Cold showers/sauna combo is pretty good against seasonal dreariness, still..It feels mean. You gotta switch the brain off for a sec before you freeze it.

OP - wishing you luck with your quest, maybe it would help you reaching out here and sharing with the community, we have all had tough times one way or another when arriving. It is not easy to integrate, one can feel disconnected to oneself since the identity feels re-defined. Trying to be understood, as a person, while not speaking the language fluently...is frustrating. Constant compromize, family/friends being far. It does get much better but it can be a dark period. Big congratulation to your life looking great on paper!

Focus 13.03.2019 10:44

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One of the big issues in my persepctive is control. We try to control ourselves with high expectations. When our expectations are not met then down we go. I found that learning to let go is one of the biggest challenges for all of us. So what do we let go to. Unfortnuately many of can not let go to ourselves because we have been told by our our environments we cot trust in ourslÍlevs . Sit down and make a list of your accomplishments.

The other big problem today is the biggest scam of the capitlaist system; the pursuit of happiness. We are told that if we have money and things we will be happy. When we have these things we find we are not happy.

With many of the people I have worked with I hear what they should do need to to or have to do. I then ask them what they want and they can not answer. Change have to want to. Trust in yourself.

MusicChick 13.03.2019 11:28

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tACS is bound not to work for some, of course, but I can see a lot of future in this. Too bad his study was so short, that's the thing about research funding. Good he put it out there, though.

I think CBT can be really helpful - as a complement to tACS, afterwards. CBT as a vehicle for re-learning to trust ourself, indeed. Not overriding.

Re-learning since kids ultimately trust themselves.

PS: your typos are worse than mine, congrats!

Guest 13.03.2019 11:57

Re: Therapy needed for depression/anxiety
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Focus (Post 3049605)
Hi

I am a coach and have worked with many depressed people. All I can say is be careful being prescribed medications. Should always check side effects on the web.

The brain gets stuck. So do not listen to people who say you are in a comfort zone. It is how the brain functions.

Careful with CBT. Can affect motivation.

Lastly I help people to become independent and find a way of living that is best for them.

John

Can I ask how CBT affects motivation? As I understand it CBT positively affects, not negatively.

And I don't think it's necessarily helpful to warn people off meds. SSRIs etc can help the chemical rebalance, as I understand it. With respect, I don't think you're an M.D. or Psychiatric professional. Individuals react differently to different meds.

I wouldn't say anxiety/depression has anything to do with a comfort zone either. It's one of the least comfortable zones I can imagine.

Focus 13.03.2019 12:03

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Why is tACS not bound to work for someone? I have attached an article below. Actually I could attach many artiles. I have seen some amazing results. There many articles. I have attached one FYI. It along with other stiimulations have become very popular now adays partly because it is non invasive. But one needs to be careful and should have someone who knows what they are doing.

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The work that I do is about helping people to to become self dependent. The training I do is self regulation. Many of the medications are dependent orientated with numberous side effects.

CBT is also something that is invasive and does not help with self regultion.

In my opinion it is about finding a way of living that is best each one of us.


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