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Old 11.03.2019, 16:28
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

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What it is with using the hotspot on the handy being a serious problem - unless the handy is on the other side of the room - but not with my home wifi (yes, I do run it on 5GHz) I have no idea. (The handy turns very hot though while the router doesn't, what ever the reason for that is).
A phone is usually a lot smaller than a router. Less surface area to dissipate heat - so gets hotter. My router also has vents to help it cool down.
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Before the usual crowd of know-it-all skeptiks try to outdo one another in supposedly debunking this, I'll just throw my two rappen into the fray.

When I was doing my PhD at ETH, we were just down the corridor and up a flight of stairs from a small group researching exactly this. They were looking at the effects of electromagnetic radiation on humans. We sometimes congegated around the same coffee machine as they did and sometimes we talked science.

The notion that EM radiation may affect humans is not the tin-hat pseudo science it may at first seem. For example they did studies showing how electromagnetic fields can cause heating within body tissues. They also recognized that certain field frequencies, even at very low power, can cause skin hairs to twitch microscopically.

Whether or not any of that can actually make anybody ill, I don't know. But this is not the same as sayng it's all tin-foil-hat bunk.

Thanks amogles for a sane post in the sea of those who rush to troll. I never said there is any proof we'll all melt from radiation or start growing tumours the size of a watermelon LOL.



WHO themselves have setup whole teams to investigate EMF and there is abundant research that is beginning now as 5G is about to start.


https://www.who.int/peh-emf/en/


Those who dismiss any side effects without any evidence provided by science should keep an open mind. Doctors said for decades that smoking is not harmful until science had enough evidence to provide clear research.


Wifi is only seriously around for the last 12-15 years and it grew in scale with the smartphones only after 2008-9.


In my case, it helped me realize there was a hidden old power socket right behind my bed literally cm from our heads and soon where the crib will be, that was too high in terms of voltage against other sockets. Distance to the source matters and this was literally next to our heads for 8 hours a day. Same with wifi directly behind the bed wall the readings was disproportionate compared to the rest of the house. Simply moving the bed reduced these massively and the crib is now in the best place. Baby heads do not have our resistance, I have no clue how or if any harmful at all but I wasn't willing to take the risk when all it took was some readings and an open mind.


Does any of the trolls like to sleep next to their wifi router then? Be my guest but you sound like anti-vaxxers mocking what you don't understand instead of saying we don't know or understand enough and it doesn't hurt to play it safe. Or maybe those organizations are full of idiots and the usual EF trolls know it all much better:


World Health Organisation https://www.who.int/peh-emf/en/


US National Institute of Environmental Health Science https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/top.../emf/index.cfm


British Medical Bulletinhttps://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/68/1/157/421256


Google Scholar research: https://scholar.google.ch/scholar?hl...adiation&btnG=





All the experts say they don't know and throw themselves at work to find out more as they are worried, especially as 5G is coming soon.
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Old 12.03.2019, 07:20
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In my case, it helped me realize there was a hidden old power socket right behind my bed literally cm from our heads and soon where the crib will be, that was too high in terms of voltage against other sockets.
If nothing is plugged into it, then no current is flowing through it.

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“A major contemporary threat to the health of Society is man-made ‘electrosmog’. This non-ionising electromagnetic pollution of technological origin is particularly insidious, in that it escapes detection by the senses – a circumstance that, in general, tends to promote a rather cavalier attitude, particularly with respect to the necessity of ensuring an adequate degree of personal protection. Yet the nature of the pollution is such that there is literally ‘nowhere to hide”. Dr. Gerard Hyland, Biophysics, University of Warwick, 2 times Nobel Prize contender Medicine [1]
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Old 12.03.2019, 08:07
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WHO themselves have setup whole teams to investigate EMF and there is abundant research that is beginning now as 5G is about to start.
Yes, there's loads of research, much of it going back decades. I worked on a large-scale EMF exposure study back in the late 80's, for example. Which failed to find any link between living in proximity to electricity pylons and any medical problems.

If you're worried by technology, I'd suggest you spend your time actually reading the existing research results instead of panicking just because science is continuing to do its job. You might learn something.

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All the experts say they don't know and throw themselves at work to find out more as they are worried
Yes, because we only try to better understand things that "worry" us, right?
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Old 12.03.2019, 09:05
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Thanks amogles for a sane post in the sea of those who rush to troll. I never said there is any proof we'll all melt from radiation or start growing tumours the size of a watermelon LOL.



WHO themselves have setup whole teams to investigate EMF and there is abundant research that is beginning now as 5G is about to start.


https://www.who.int/peh-emf/en/


Those who dismiss any side effects without any evidence provided by science should keep an open mind. Doctors said for decades that smoking is not harmful until science had enough evidence to provide clear research.


Wifi is only seriously around for the last 12-15 years and it grew in scale with the smartphones only after 2008-9.


In my case, it helped me realize there was a hidden old power socket right behind my bed literally cm from our heads and soon where the crib will be, that was too high in terms of voltage against other sockets. Distance to the source matters and this was literally next to our heads for 8 hours a day. Same with wifi directly behind the bed wall the readings was disproportionate compared to the rest of the house. Simply moving the bed reduced these massively and the crib is now in the best place. Baby heads do not have our resistance, I have no clue how or if any harmful at all but I wasn't willing to take the risk when all it took was some readings and an open mind.


Does any of the trolls like to sleep next to their wifi router then? Be my guest but you sound like anti-vaxxers mocking what you don't understand instead of saying we don't know or understand enough and it doesn't hurt to play it safe. Or maybe those organizations are full of idiots and the usual EF trolls know it all much better:


World Health Organisation https://www.who.int/peh-emf/en/


US National Institute of Environmental Health Science https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/top.../emf/index.cfm


British Medical Bulletinhttps://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/68/1/157/421256


Google Scholar research: https://scholar.google.ch/scholar?hl...adiation&btnG=





All the experts say they don't know and throw themselves at work to find out more as they are worried, especially as 5G is coming soon.
There’s nothing wrong with taking sensible precautions but your post came across as rather ‘over the top’ which is why you got the responses you did.

Turning off the router at night and not sleeping with your phone next to your head for example are common sense things to do. Whether they make any difference or not is up for debate as that would require long term studies.
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Old 12.03.2019, 10:06
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WHO themselves have setup whole teams to investigate EMF and there is abundant research that is beginning now as 5G is about to start.

https://www.who.int/peh-emf/en/
Perhaps you should read through your own link a bit:

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In the area of biological effects and medical applications of non-ionizing radiation approximately 25,000 articles have been published over the past 30 years. Despite the feeling of some people that more research needs to be done, scientific knowledge in this area is now more extensive than for most chemicals. Based on a recent in-depth review of the scientific literature, the WHO concluded that current evidence does not confirm the existence of any health consequences from exposure to low level electromagnetic fields.
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Old 12.03.2019, 10:17
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

There's been a bit of press recently about people using Apple's Ear Pods and a possible cancer risk due to the fact they are inserted right into the ear.

Still, with 28 million pairs sold, what a fantastic opportunity with such a large sample size to conduct a real-life test on whether they cause cancer in head.

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Old 12.03.2019, 10:29
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

If you are concerned about EMF from power sockets, you should be even more concerned about all of the wiring in your house, neighborhood, etc.

The wavelength of 50Hz AC is 6000km, so it has very deep penetration, almost nothing can stop it!

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Old 12.03.2019, 11:17
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

OP's post did not come accross as paranoid to me.
I can also imagine that becoming a father - for the first time it seems - makes people think about all kinds of things.

I suppose the point is to keep the baby away from unnecessary things (it can probably sleep safely without electronic surveillance and there is not need to "employ" Alexa as it's 24h nanny).
People becoming parents have always worried about what ever was considered dangerous in their time. No need to belittle them and their thoughts.

"Arena" made a programme with the title "who's afraid of 5G", when I saw that I thought 'what the hell'? So I watched it. There was little info really but I did realize that this might be something I will have problems with and will - once again - have to find a way to deal with. At the same time it made me chuckle to hear that some Swiss actually seem to think we can just refuse to install/use it in this country.

So, OP, you just have to accept your baby will be influenced by all kinds of things, you can protect it up to a certain point for a certain time but your kid will probably live under circumstances you can't even imagine yet, so it will have to get used to it anyway. It's probably healthier it does that gradually than you protecting it completely, then throw it out there.

I just remember I was told I did not know what chocolate was until I moved to Switzerland. They kept me happy on carrots and apples etc. This kind of stuff is possible until "the world" grows.
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I suppose the point is to keep the baby away from unnecessary things (it can probably sleep safely without electronic surveillance and there is not need to "employ" Alexa as it's 24h nanny).
How's that work then? You seem to be the expert.
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

My pennyworth:
all absorbed EM radiation will cause heating. The current regulations are designed to reduce any heating effect to a really negligable level. This includes the advice to not hold a mobile for hours next to ones head

The health concerns are generally about non-heating effects due to specific absorbtion of particular frequencies. The energies of radiation increases with frequency which is why the newer microwave frequencies used for mobile phones are more concerning than the old radio frequencies. These mobile phone frequencies are in the range used by microwave ovens, just at an intensity not designed to cause heating. https://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...hy-doesnt-wifi
Living cells do respond to EM fields and there are therapeutic applications in development
The scientific consensus is that the EM fields in houses, trains etc do not pose a measurable risk: does anyone know if telecom companies are able to take out liability insurance?

Electrosensitive individuals? don't know
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Electrosensitive individuals? don't know
They're the ones that respond to homeopathic 'medicine' too.
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Curley should submit herself to medical research for the good of all mankind.
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all absorbed EM radiation will cause heating.
I'm afraid you're mistaken, unless you're using the rather vague term ”absorbed" to mean only those specific types/frequencies that do. Most of the spectrum is not actually absorbed, but passes through the body with no effect whatsoever.
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If you are concerned about EMF from power sockets, you should be even more concerned about all of the wiring in your house, neighborhood, etc.

The wavelength of 50Hz AC is 6000km, so it has very deep penetration, almost nothing can stop it!

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Deep penetration, but relatively low energy. Otherwise your electricity meter would continue clicking away even when all devices are unplugged.
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I'm afraid you're mistaken, unless you're using the rather vague term ”absorbed" to mean only those specific types/frequencies that do. Most of the spectrum is not actually absorbed, but passes through the body with no effect whatsoever.
So not all absorbed radiation causes heating because radiation that isn't absorbed doesn't?
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Curley should submit herself to medical research for the good of all mankind.
AfaIk 95% of the human population does not have such problems.
The rest should solve them when they pop up, as I do.
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

Many people have a real problem with assessing risk, particularly when the risk is invisible, as is the case with radiofrequency emissions. What we do know is that these emissions can cause heating of tissue, but there's no verifiable repeatable link to any effects on the human body. In other words, the risk, if any is going to be very low.
And yet people, probably including those who are worried about rf emissions, don't seem to worry about driving cars on the road, an activity where the risk of an accident is several orders of magnitude greater.
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

I think the biggest danger to health is that people who are suffering from unexplained symptoms assume it has something to do with emissions from their electronics, take steps to minimise or remove them then don't realise that their illness is caused by something completely unrelated.

If you are suffering unexplained symptoms, best to get checked out by a doctor first and foremost.
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