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EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

Hi all,


I recently bought an EMF meter that measures all 3 radiations: RF, Magnetic and Electric.


Has anyone got experience using these and making their house a healthier place?


I found out that my bed was exposed to severe RF signals from my router so I disabled the wifi at night and moved the bed and it dropped spectacularly.


For the Electric signals, a lamp above my head had 700 V/m when all the other lamps had a max of 150. Also found out that old lamps had a max of 20V/m and new fluorescent ones had average values of 100-200. In effect all the modern lamps are consuming less energy but produce a much stronger electric field.


Especially in the baby room, the lamps will be changed asap.


But there are certain things I am not sure what to do about: certain sockets that have a switch as well have readings up to 1100 V/m, when the meter is next to them. Isn't this abnormally high?


Do Green wave electricity filters work and how many do you need? Trying to keep it logical and not buy unnecessary stuff so if anyone has some experience of taking readings and making their houses healthier with lower levels of RF/Electric/Magnetic radiation please advice.
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Old 10.03.2019, 23:12
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I found out that my bed was exposed to severe RF signals from my router so I disabled the wifi at night and moved the bed and it dropped spectacularly.

Make sure it's the Wifi and not the Wife you disable at nights
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... that measures all 3 radiations: RF, Magnetic and Electric.
What about nuclear? You know, the one that is really dangerous?

Anyway, what makes you think that a field intensity of 700 V/m is worse than 20 V/m? Maybe 8000 V/m is beneficial Or perhaps it's only bad for your health at about 100000 V/m.n You know, like 25% oxygen is good for you, 10% and 100% are bad.
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Hi all,


I recently bought an EMF meter that measures all 3 radiations: RF, Magnetic and Electric.


Has anyone got experience using these and making their house a healthier place?


I found out that my bed was exposed to severe RF signals from my router so I disabled the wifi at night and moved the bed and it dropped spectacularly.


For the Electric signals, a lamp above my head had 700 V/m when all the other lamps had a max of 150. Also found out that old lamps had a max of 20V/m and new fluorescent ones had average values of 100-200. In effect all the modern lamps are consuming less energy but produce a much stronger electric field.


Especially in the baby room, the lamps will be changed asap.


But there are certain things I am not sure what to do about: certain sockets that have a switch as well have readings up to 1100 V/m, when the meter is next to them. Isn't this abnormally high?


Do Green wave electricity filters work and how many do you need? Trying to keep it logical and not buy unnecessary stuff so if anyone has some experience of taking readings and making their houses healthier with lower levels of RF/Electric/Magnetic radiation please advice.
I'm looking for a dust meter? Dust is maybe more harmful than all this electric stuff
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

I have a suggestion; quit following pseudoscientific bullshit and just lead a normal, happy life like regular people.
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I recently bought an EMF meter that measures all 3 radiations: RF, Magnetic and Electric.

Did you try a tin foil hat?
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There is a market in this. https://www.faradaydefense.com/21-faraday-cage
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

If you're serious about this, one of the first things you should consider is to stop using your phone or computer.

Please.
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I suggest you enclose yourself, your wife/partner and the baby in a hermetically sealed lead box without any electrical supply or mobile phone, you won’t be exposed to any of those things then.
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What difference did you notice??
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Old 11.03.2019, 11:16
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Hi all,


I recently bought an EMF meter that measures all 3 radiations: RF, Magnetic and Electric.


Has anyone got experience using these


Yes, professionally - but ones costing several thousand dollars - and to ensure new consumer electronic designs are compliant with international standards and do not interfere with other electronic equipment.

Your main concern is the stress you are giving yourself in worrying about nothing.

It's not even the EMF directly that is a problem for your health.

The sort of thing that is tested and could be a concern is the heating effect on your brain of having a mobile phone glued to your ear.

If you were really worried then I'd throw your mobile phone away and use this:

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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

I'm "elektrosensibel" (sensitive to electromagnetic fields), have been long before that term became a known thing.
I get sick (as in wanting/having to throw up) within minutes near energy-saving bulb (I had a very hard time in between EU making them a must and LED becoming available in all shapes and versions), same if I have to use the hotspot on the handy (which cablecom customers need to do on regular basis ) or if I'm near a magnet that is only slightly stronger than the lowest fridge-magnet etc. etc.

Nobody apart from my closest friends who watched it happen actually believed me for years.
Each thing has to be tried out. Bluetooth is absolutely no problem (so I solve talking on the handy by using an ear-thingy even at home). I did not install wifi for a very long time until a friend mentioned that all the neighbour's wifis that show strong signals on my computer don't seem to bother me, therefore I might as well have my own - he was right, it does not bother me. Realizing that was a nice day in my life as I really am keen on new technologies and it annoys me not being able to use some of them.

When ever I get sick - I recognize this type of sickness - I apply the method of elimination; What's new, what's different, what happens when I put it out of my close enviroment.
All last week, there was some high frequency sound in my kitchen that drove me up the bloody walls. I could not pin it. Since the week-end it is gone, I suspect it was some neighbour having a new toy which - lucky me - they already got tired of. LOL.

What I am saying: It is seriously not fun to have that problem and I don't understand why people who do not suffer from this go look for the problem?

There is no way to avoid it anyway. The only thing a sensitive person can do is to learn how far away which item needs to be in order not to get limited as in being sick and/or dizzy and/or weak.
Anyone else should just enjoy the "wonders of technique"
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Re: EMF meter reading - healthy household tips?

Before the usual crowd of know-it-all skeptiks try to outdo one another in supposedly debunking this, I'll just throw my two rappen into the fray.

When I was doing my PhD at ETH, we were just down the corridor and up a flight of stairs from a small group researching exactly this. They were looking at the effects of electromagnetic radiation on humans. We sometimes congegated around the same coffee machine as they did and sometimes we talked science.

The notion that EM radiation may affect humans is not the tin-hat pseudo science it may at first seem. For example they did studies showing how electromagnetic fields can cause heating within body tissues. They also recognized that certain field frequencies, even at very low power, can cause skin hairs to twitch microscopically.

Whether or not any of that can actually make anybody ill, I don't know. But this is not the same as sayng it's all tin-foil-hat bunk.
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Perhaps it's caused by the nature of the light emitted, rather than electrosensitivity. I say this all the studies of people who claim they're electrosensitive have drawn a blank.
You say that the wifi hotspot on your handy makes you ill, but the wifi at home doesn't.

Both are 2.4GHz or 5GHz. Bluetooth is 5GHz which also doesn't make you sick. It's unlikely that you and your neighbours are running 5GHz wifi only.

Mobile phones are 0.9 or 1.8GHz.

Energy saving lamps are emit RF radiation at about 30-60kHz.

The causative factor of your symptoms being RF radiation seems not to fit with the picture you're describing. I'm not saying this to dismiss your experience, but rather you might be looking in the wrong place. The proximate cause, not the ultimate cause.

I do wonder though - do you have any conducting metal in your body?

I've got LEDs lights that make me feel nauseous - but that's due to flicker. Not RF.
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Before the usual crowd of know-it-all skeptiks try to outdo one another in supposedly debunking this, I'll just throw my two rappen into the fray.

When I was doing my PhD at ETH, we were just down the corridor and up a flight of stairs from a small group researching exactly this. They were looking at the effects of electromagnetic radiation on humans. We sometimes congegated around the same coffee machine as they did and sometimes we talked science.

The notion that EM radiation may affect humans is not the tin-hat pseudo science it may at first seem. For example they did studies showing how electromagnetic fields can cause heating within body tissues.
Whether or not any of that can actually make anybody ill, I don't know. But this is not the same as sayng it's all tin-foil-hat bunk.
The heating effect of certain RF frequencies on body tissue has been known for ages as I mentioned in my post on this thread.

Mobile phones and other hand-held radio communication devices cannot be sold unless they have been tested for specifically this.

If people want to minimise any risk, they ought to have a hands-free speaker-mic so the device is not close to the head.
Additionally, they shouldn't use it much and should use a landline wherever possible instead.

The OP said he could pick of a strong RF signal next to a mains socket. That's fine - he doesn't live in his house/apartment right next to his mains sockets. The strength of the signal is inversely proportional to the distance away from the source.

If people genuinely believe they are affected by these things - it could simply be that they are hearing noise at high frequency (to the human ear range) which can make them feel sick.
There's no evidence that this nausea is caused by absorption of any waves of a frequency other than those capable of being picked up by the human ear.
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Perhaps it's caused by the nature of the light emitted, rather than electrosensitivity. I say this all the studies of people who claim they're electrosensitive have drawn a blank.
You say that the wifi hotspot on your handy makes you ill, but the wifi at home doesn't.

Both are 2.4GHz or 5GHz. Bluetooth is 5GHz which also doesn't make you sick. It's unlikely that you and your neighbours are running 5GHz wifi only.

Mobile phones are 0.9 or 1.8GHz.

Energy saving lamps are emit RF radiation at about 30-60kHz.

The causative factor of your symptoms being RF radiation seems not to fit with the picture you're describing. I'm not saying this to dismiss your experience, but rather you might be looking in the wrong place. The proximate cause, not the ultimate cause.

I do wonder though - do you have any conducting metal in your body?

I've got LEDs lights that make me feel nauseous - but that's due to flicker. Not RF.
You're absolutely right. With the "Sparlampen" it is definitely the flicker for example (which some people say they don't perceive).
What it is with using the hotspot on the handy being a serious problem - unless the handy is on the other side of the room - but not with my home wifi (yes, I do run it on 5GHz) I have no idea. (The handy turns very hot though while the router doesn't, what ever the reason for that is).
Also I can not use bulbs stronger (colder) than 4800 candela or I get seriously sick in no time - that is also not the frequency.

What I was trying to say with my post was that I am sensitive to all kinds of shit others aren't and I just adapt to it (check what causes it, do I have to refrain from it completely or just change the my physical distance from it). I would never buy a machine to find out if there may be something there that is not even causing me a problem

Someone allergic to strawberries will simply not eat them again. Right?

Yes I know there are people who want to know exactly WHY the strawberry gives them a rash and then demand the farmers (all of them world-wide, of course) to develope a strawberry that doesn't have that effect. Or better still: Bann the feckers, "if I can't eat them, nobody should".
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You're absolutely right. With the "Sparlampen" it is definitely the flicker for example (which some people say they don't perceive).

Are you talking about LED lights, or the older type of energy saving bulbs? (compact flourescent)


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What it is with using the hotspot on the handy being a serious problem - unless the handy is on the other side of the room - but not with my home wifi (yes, I do run it on 5GHz) I have no idea. (The handy turns very hot though while the router doesn't, what ever the reason for that is).

The heat can have other causes. For example design of the circuitry leading to higher losses. On the whole you can say that the more energy that gets turned into heat, the less is being turned into radiation, so it should be the cold ones you need to be wary of. Also transmission power needs to be taken into account. Not all antennas are born equal.



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Also I can not use bulbs stronger (colder) than 4800 candela or I get seriously sick in no time - that is also not the frequency.

not certain. Again, you would have to look at the design and performace of the individual bulb. A cheap out of the box meter is not the best way to go at that problem.
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The strength of the signal is inversely proportional to the square of the distance away from the source.
FTFY.

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unless the transmitter is cylindrical and of infinite length, in which case he is of course absolutely right.
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Are you talking about LED lights, or the older type of energy saving bulbs? (compact flourescent)

The heat can have other causes. For example design of the circuitry leading to higher losses. On the whole you can say that the more energy that gets turned into heat, the less is being turned into radiation, so it should be the cold ones you need to be wary of. Also transmission power needs to be taken into account. Not all antennas are born equal.

not certain. Again, you would have to look at the design and performace of the individual bulb. A cheap out of the box meter is not the best way to go at that problem.
The ones which first were called "Sparlampen"



LED's were my rescue. There were only so many "Glühlampen" (interesting, I can't find an English translation for those as one style of LEDs are also called Edison bulbs in English now) one could hoard.

I'm not the one with the meter - that's the OP - I'm a pragmatic person.
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