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Thyroid

Hi all, thought i'd ask for some advice about thyroid and GP's in Switzerland (Geneva). I am starting to get low on my tablets of Levothyroxine, managed to get over a years worth before I left the UK. And also I've not yet used the health services over here, so just wanted to ask a couple of things.

Firstly, I called my medical helpline (as it says in my policy) and asked about having a blood test, in order to get a prescription. I think this is the best way, as we can see if the dose is still right. Plus wasn't sure if how I get a prescription if I don't have a diagnosis from a Doctor or hospital. Can I take a copy of my UK prescription to a Doctor/pharmacy and they just prescribe the same medicine??

Anyway, the helpline was good and said please choose a local doctor as my 'home doctor' to get a blood test referral. I searched online in my local area for a GP who actually specialises in Endocrinology. Luckily, found one just up the road, so I assume I've actually done things the best way, in finding a Doctor who can do it all in house?

Appointment is next week, meanwhile I'm off back to the UK tomorrow, so I am tempted to pick up some more tablets to tide me over a little longer.

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Re: Thyroid

When I first moved here I had needed an Rx refill before I had a chance to find a GP (due to GP shortages in my area it took me a couple years to find someone who would take on new patients) so I went to one of the walk-in clinics. No problem getting a renewal based on my Rx from home.

From my experience once I found a GP:

My GPs have not had a clue about thyroid issues, especially something like a case where you tend to swing back and forth or if 'your normal' differed from the usual range. (For instance, cases where you have a history and the physical symptoms but still fall borderline by blood values).

For anything other than bog standard clear cut cases, an endocrinologist was needed.

If you have found a GP who has an endocrinology background, that's good.

A standard exam for me is a blood test yearly now that I am stable, but on the road to getting there tests were every 3 or 6 months. I also have a thyroid ultrasound yearly, and see an ophthalmologist every 6 months - these last might not be applicable to your situation. If you have been getting ultrasounds, ask for a baseline here.

Be very clear when you describe your symptoms, and ask directly 'Could my symptoms indicate X, or Y, or Z? If you feel you are being dismissed, ask the doctor to explain why or why not, or expound on his or her comments.

A good endo understands that a long term thyroid patient knows his or her body and can often tell when things are starting to go pear shaped, often before the values say so. A good endo listens, you should expect that here. If you are not comfortable with your care, don't be afraid to look for another doctor.

Certainly bring you patient file from your doctors at home.

FYI, I don't know about your area, but around here finding a doctor - GP or endo - who is willing to consult in English can be difficult. If you are not fluent in the local language or cannot find someone who will consult in English, bring a friend to translate. In cases where the patient's description is key, you don't want misinterpretation or misunderstanding.

No worries about insurance, all is covered, subject to your franchise.

Hope you find the care you need.
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Re: Thyroid

Thanks for the reply Meloncollie. Good to hear about your experience. Will update you next week after I've seen my new Endo Specialist GP.

It should be straightforward, I'm used to half-yearly reviews even though my medication has been stable for years.

But will be good to get a different/specialists opinion on these matters. I always struggle with when I should be eating breakfast after taking the tablets and also what types of foods should I avoid.
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It was after we moved from UK to Basel and I signed up with a local GP (Hausarzt) that my hypothyroidism got diagnosed. I just assumed bring portly was something I had to live with. A decent doctor will also do regular checks, weigh-ins and blood tests.

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An update on my experience for anyone interested.

Had a all over check up with the new doctor, tested and measured everything, and the next day I returned to the surgery for r around of blood and urine tests. Just received the invoice back from Unilabs that analysed my blood. Total cost was ~300chf. The doctor gave ma an annual prescription before the results so that I could continue to take the right medication, although it was a different brand.

The results suggest I am still ont he correct level of medication but the doctor wants to runs some more bloods in 2 months, as I've changed the brand of Levothyroxine.

Also I spoke to my old doctors in London and they were good enough to email me my medical records. I thought this might be slow or a problem, but it was very easy.

So all in all a good result, apart from the 300 chf for the blood tests! The NHS is good like that, you don't see the real cost of your care.
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Re: Thyroid

Despite having a healthy lifestyle and diet my wife has been suffering from thyroid issues for a few years now. She tried some medications but they all made her feel worse. Then she tried the 30 day celery juice diet or challenge or whatever its called. After the first week she kept saying how she was feeling better, after two weeks her energy levels had increased enough for even the kids to notice. Now we are at three months later and her energy is through the roof, she deals with stress (me) much, much better now, and she looks ten years younger. (True skincare comes from the inside out, sorry cream makers) Our "alone" time has not only increased but its much better now. Even though I do at least a fruit smoothie or veg juice a day I have also been feeling younger and have more energy since I started the morning celery juice routine. You have to drink it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I typically dismiss all fads and trends but the hype is real. Nothing to lose and so much to gain. I belive the guy who started it all is Dr. Anthony William. He has a few books which I have not read due to my wife reading it out loud to anyone who will listen. Hope this helps.
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I belive the guy who started it all is Dr. Anthony William.
He's not a doctor, but instead is a "psychic" who claims to be getting medical advice from some sort of spirit or angel from the future. That, an the fact that he writes for Goop makes me discount anything he says, though I'm sure a glass of veggie juice in the morning is quite invigorating I highly doubt it's the panacea he claims it to be.

Read his claims - he's quite the whackjob.
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Despite having a healthy lifestyle and diet my wife has been suffering from thyroid issues for a few years now.

A lot of thyroid issues do NOT come from an unhealthy lifestyle....
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He's not a doctor, but instead is a "psychic" who claims to be getting medical advice from some sort of spirit or angel from the future. That, an the fact that he writes for Goop makes me discount anything he says, though I'm sure a glass of veggie juice in the morning is quite invigorating I highly doubt it's the panacea he claims it to be.

Read his claims - he's quite the whackjob.


I have no idea who he is or is not. If he is a quack then its unforunate but I still stand by the claim that celery juice has improved my wifes condition dramatically.
All I know is we both have noticed a positive change since drinking celery juice in the morning. P.s I am a certified nutrionalist even though that is not my occupation. I do, however, work in a private medical clinic. One of the most expensive clinics in the world to be exact, and nutrition is one of our best "medicines". All we do really is rebrand othromolecular medicine and sell it to the wealthy. The results are why we are able to charge what we do. *

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A lot of thyroid issues do NOT come from an unhealthy lifestyle....
Agreed. But an unhealthy lifestyle doesnt help either. Obviously.
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Agreed. But an unhealthy lifestyle doesnt help either. Obviously.

Loads of people who eat/live unhealthy do not get thyroid issues. If it was that easy, why do some many people still need thyroid pills?


Good for your wife that it works, but I do not see the link healty lifestyle = no longer thyroid issues.
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I have no idea who he is or is not. If he is a quack then its unforunate but I still stand by the claim that celery juice has improved my wifes condition dramatically.
All I know is we both have noticed a positive change since drinking celery juice in the morning. P.s I am a certified nutrionalist even though that is not my occupation. I do, however, work in a private medical clinic. One of the most expensive clinics in the world to be exact, and nutrition is one of our best "medicines". All we do really is rebrand othromolecular medicine and sell it to the wealthy. The results are why we are able to charge what we do. *

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Fair enough, and that's true, nutrition is extremely important. However, the man in question is a serious nutter who makes all sorts of outrageous claims about Epstein-Barr, cancer, and how celery juice is the miracle cure from the future. (Sadly, I kid you not).

From his own site:
Meet Anthony William
#1 New York Times best-selling author of Medical Medium, Life-Changing Foods, Thyroid Healing, and Liver Rescue was born with the unique ability to converse with Spirit of Compassion who provides him with extraordinarily accurate health information that’s often far ahead of its time.

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Anthony William is also the originator of the Global Celery Juice Movement. Millions of people are healing thanks to drinking 16 ounces of straight celery juice on an empty stomach every day–a specific healing practice that Anthony has been recommending since I was a child in 1975. With the release of his four bestselling books, all of which include information about the undiscovered healing properties of celery juice, millions of people have now tried celery juice and found it to offer them improvement, relief and healing from all kinds of acute and chronic illnesses and symptoms, including digestive issues, skin conditions, migraines, fatigue, autoimmune illnesses, brain fog, and hundreds of others.

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Agreed. But an unhealthy lifestyle doesnt help either. Obviously.
I think hypo/hyper thyroidism is one of the few conditions which is indiscriminate, unfortunately. More often than not, it's down to an autoimmune condition or inability to absorb iodine, viruses, inflammation, etc.

Health and lifestyle don't really play a part.

Maybe after diagnosis you can offset some symptoms with diet and exercise but it will probably take more than necking a glass of celery smoothie every day.
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undiscovered healing properties of celery juice, millions of people have now tried celery juice and found it to offer them improvement, relief and healing from all kinds of acute and chronic illnesses and symptoms, including digestive issues, skin conditions, migraines, fatigue, autoimmune illnesses, brain fog, and hundreds of others.

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Lets drop the quack and his claims. Lets look at claims from other people such as myself.

Acute and chronic illnesses- My acute arthrities has improved, mostly inflamation and pain are gone.
Digestive issues- yes it will give you digestive issues at first, we call this detoxing. But overall my IBS is now completely gone. But the first week I had to stay close to the toilet for an hour after drinking it, rest of the day I was fine. With no pain or cramping.
Skin issues. - YES, YES and a HELL YES. My wife is smoking hot. She looks ten, maybe even fifteen years younger. The sex is like we are both 25 again. (That alone is worth it)
Migraines- haven't had one since. But nonconclusive as I havent been doing it for very long. I normally suffer two a month.
Fatigue- HELL YES. We are both buzzing with energy. See sex above.
Auto immune- dont know
Brain Fog- Ive always been as sharp as a tire iron but now I feel sharp as a tack. So yes on that claim.
Hundreds of others- cant say. But I feel like I've had a complete system upgrade.

Again these are my claims based on my own experiences.
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I think hypo/hyper thyroidism is one of the few conditions which is indiscriminate, unfortunately. More often than not, it's down to an autoimmune condition or inability to absorb iodine, viruses, inflammation, etc.

Health and lifestyle don't really play a part.

Maybe after diagnosis you can offset some symptoms with diet and exercise but it will probably take more than necking a glass of celery smoothie every day.


I agree but also disagree. Necking a glass of celery juice every morning sounds too easy and too good to be true. But it IS working for my wife, even her doctor agrees with the improvement.

Mini rant- I am not against meds, especially if you need them. However too many people prefer to take them because its too easy and they dont know any better. Medical professionals included. What they dont realize is that most meds are for managing an illness, not curing it. After many years of being on meds it will destroy your body or they no longer work. Thats when its time to come and see us. Average treament is three months at CHF100,000 a WEEK. Thats just the basics, it goes up from there. I can save you that money by saying this. Nutrition is EVERYTHING. Specialized diet plans, smoothies and fresh juice. Check out Orthomolecular Medicine, go get checked and follow the diet plan. Thank me later.

Honestly thats the best part of my job. I see people come in as a total wreck and they leave as a completely new person and I was able to be a part of that process. Its worth more than money to me but you dont need to be Royalty, or an Aristocrat, or even some billionaire businessman to enjoy the benifits of proper nutrition.
It is that easy. But only the wealthy believe it.
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Average treament is three months at CHF100,000 a WEEK. Thats just the basics, it goes up from there.


Three months at 100 000 chf per week.
Bloody hell!
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Three months at 100 000 chf per week.
Bloody hell!
That doesn't include the privat jets, heli, drivers or renting an enitre wing of the Dolder so your family can be with you for those three months.
We have a saying at work, if you think Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos are the richest men in the world than you have NO IDEA how this world really works. Those guys are middleclass billionaires. And I am already saying too much.

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That doesn't include the privat jets, heli, drivers or renting an enitre wing of the Dolder so your family can be with you for those three months.
We have a saying at work, if you think Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos are the richest men in the world than you have NO IDEA how this world really works. Those guys are middleclass billionaires. And I am already saying too much.

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I don’t get this at all. Sorry.
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That doesn't include the privat jets, heli, drivers or renting an enitre wing of the Dolder so your family can be with you for those three months.
We have a saying at work, if you think Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos are the richest men in the world than you have NO IDEA how this world really works. Those guys are middleclass billionaires. And I am already saying too much.

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Some people clearly have more money than sense.
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I don’t get this at all. Sorry.


What I am trying to say is there exists a world of wealth that is hidden, on purpose, from us peasants. We are too distracted and divided (Trump, Brexit, etc) to notice.
Forbes only list the richest men who have to pay taxes. Those above them, do not.

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