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Dialysis Coverage

Hello everyone,

First of all, i'm newbie here and i hope i'm writing this in right place.

I'm living and working in Switzerland and my mother wants to visit me for 1 month. During this time, she should go for dialysis for 12 season (3 times per week).

She is Romanian citizen and living in Turkey. In Turkey, she is not paying any cost for dialysis seasons. Is it free in Switzerland too because of her another citizenship or does she need "EHIC" (?) card?

Actually i need some help,

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Old 17.04.2019, 18:05
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Re: Dialysis Coverage

It's not free here.

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Old 17.04.2019, 18:25
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Re: Dialysis Coverage

Not knowing where you are, I'll just link one of the first results for 'ferien dialysis Schweiz':

https://www.dzw.ch/de/zentren/feriendialyse.html

Note this bit:

Kosten für Feriendialyse bei DZW AG

Abhängig davon, ob Sie aus der Schweiz, einem EU-Mitgliedsstaat oder einem Nicht-EU-Staat zu uns reisen, erfolgt die Abrechnung entweder direkt über Ihre Versicherung (CH und EU) oder per Barzahlung.
Als Gastpatient aus der Schweiz bringen Sie bitte Ihre Krankenkassen-Karte zur Behandlung mit, als Gastpatient aus der EU benötigen wir Ihre EU-Versicherten-Karte, die Sie von Ihrer Krankenkasse erhalten.
Andere Versicherte bitten wir, die Behandlung in bar zu bezahlen und eine mögliche Kostenübernahme selbständig mit Ihrer Krankenkasse zu klären. Die Kosten pro Behandlung betragen CHF 500.‒ (zuzüglich evtl. benötigter Medikamente wie Eisen oder Erythropoietin).



Which roughly translates to:

Costs for holiday dialysis at DZW AG

Depending on whether you are travelling to us from Switzerland, an EU member state or a non-EU state, you will be billed either directly by your insurance company (CH and EU) or by cash payment.

As a guest patient from Switzerland, please bring your health insurance card with you for treatment; as a guest patient from the EU, we need your EU insured card, which you receive from your health insurance company.

We ask other insured persons to pay the treatment in cash and to clarify a possible assumption of costs independently with your health insurance company. The costs per treatment amount to CHF 500 (plus any required medication such as iron or erythropoietin).

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I don't know if this is standard for holiday dialysis, you should ask the center your mother will go to about their payment policies. Given that you could be looking at a cost of ca 6K+, you really want specifics clarified beforehand.

If you need help finding a dialysis center in the city or area your mother will be visiting, just ask.

Hope your mom has a lovely holiday here.
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Old 17.04.2019, 18:44
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In Turkey, she is not paying any cost for dialysis seasons. Is it free in Switzerland too because of her another citizenship or does she need "EHIC" (?) card?
As she is a resident in Turkey and Turkey is not part of the EHIC scheme she will most likely not get an EHIC.
https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp...n#nationalinfo
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As she is a resident in Turkey and Turkey is not part of the EHIC scheme she will most likely not get an EHIC.
https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp...n#nationalinfo
So that would be CHF 1500 per week, ouch. Better have her check her insurance OP
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Old 17.04.2019, 18:54
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Re: Dialysis Coverage

Didn't we have this question before? Is anybody good at searching in EF, because I'm not.

Apart from the costs one also has to find out where it can be done as hospitals here have regular patients and fix schedules.
I remember this was discussed before but I don't remember the outcome/solution of the other thread ....


PS that was easy, here you might find more info.
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Old 17.04.2019, 18:57
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Didn't we have this question before? Is anybody good at searching in EF, because I'm not.

PS that was easy, here you might find more info.
Or go to google and enter "Dialysis holiday site:englishforum.ch" (w/o the " ")
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It's not free here.

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Not knowing where you are, I'll just link one of the first results for 'ferien dialysis Schweiz':

https://www.dzw.ch/de/zentren/feriendialyse.html

Note this bit:

Kosten für Feriendialyse bei DZW AG

Abhängig davon, ob Sie aus der Schweiz, einem EU-Mitgliedsstaat oder einem Nicht-EU-Staat zu uns reisen, erfolgt die Abrechnung entweder direkt über Ihre Versicherung (CH und EU) oder per Barzahlung.
Als Gastpatient aus der Schweiz bringen Sie bitte Ihre Krankenkassen-Karte zur Behandlung mit, als Gastpatient aus der EU benötigen wir Ihre EU-Versicherten-Karte, die Sie von Ihrer Krankenkasse erhalten.
Andere Versicherte bitten wir, die Behandlung in bar zu bezahlen und eine mögliche Kostenübernahme selbständig mit Ihrer Krankenkasse zu klären. Die Kosten pro Behandlung betragen CHF 500.‒ (zuzüglich evtl. benötigter Medikamente wie Eisen oder Erythropoietin).



Which roughly translates to:

Costs for holiday dialysis at DZW AG

Depending on whether you are travelling to us from Switzerland, an EU member state or a non-EU state, you will be billed either directly by your insurance company (CH and EU) or by cash payment.

As a guest patient from Switzerland, please bring your health insurance card with you for treatment; as a guest patient from the EU, we need your EU insured card, which you receive from your health insurance company.

We ask other insured persons to pay the treatment in cash and to clarify a possible assumption of costs independently with your health insurance company. The costs per treatment amount to CHF 500 (plus any required medication such as iron or erythropoietin).

---

I don't know if this is standard for holiday dialysis, you should ask the center your mother will go to about their payment policies. Given that you could be looking at a cost of ca 6K+, you really want specifics clarified beforehand.

If you need help finding a dialysis center in the city or area your mother will be visiting, just ask.

Hope your mom has a lovely holiday here.
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Didn't we have this question before? Is anybody good at searching in EF, because I'm not.

Apart from the costs one also has to find out where it can be done as hospitals here have regular patients and fix schedules.
I remember this was discussed before but I don't remember the outcome/solution of the other thread ....


PS that was easy, here you might find more info.
Thanks for all the replies..

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As she is a resident in Turkey and Turkey is not part of the EHIC scheme she will most likely not get an EHIC.
https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp...n#nationalinfo
She has dual citizenship. One from Turkey one from Romania. Is this enough to get a EHIC card for free dialysis seasons?

I found this;

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The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) replaced the E1111 form in 2006. The EHIC makes it easier for people from the European Union’s 27 Member States plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland to access health care services during temporary visits abroad.

The card ensures that you will get the same access to public sector health care (e.g. a doctor, a pharmacy, a hospital or a health care centre) as nationals of the country you are visiting. If you have to receive medical attention in a country that charges for health care, you will be reimbursed either immediately, or after you go home to your own country. The idea is that you are given the care you need to allow you to continue with your stay.

Renal Dialysis (and Oxygen Therapy) is defined as an emergency treatment and so is covered by the EHIC. This allows EEA nationals to receive free dialysis treatment in member states.
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Thanks for all the replies..



She has dual citizenship. One from Turkey one from Romania. Is this enough to get a EHIC card for free dialysis seasons?

I found this;
No, she doesn´t have her insurance in Romania and she doesn´t live there to get a card to start with.
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She has dual citizenship. One from Turkey one from Romania. Is this enough to get a EHIC card for free dialysis seasons?
To be issued a card the requirement is that she is insured in Romania, so it depends on Romania, if she is insured there and they are will to issue the card to her the card then yes.

In general though most EU states only insure residents or retirees.
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She has dual citizenship. One from Turkey one from Romania. Is this enough to get a EHIC card for free dialysis seasons?
See in the link provided what Romania has to say about who is eligible for an EHIC.
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Hello everyone,

First of all, i'm newbie here and i hope i'm writing this in right place.

I'm living and working in Switzerland and my mother wants to visit me for 1 month. During this time, she should go for dialysis for 12 season (3 times per week).

She is Romanian citizen and living in Turkey. In Turkey, she is not paying any cost for dialysis seasons. Is it free in Switzerland too because of her another citizenship or does she need "EHIC" (?) card?

Actually i need some help,

Thanks
I don't know what kind of insurance she can have in Turkey, but as far as EHIC is concerned - she is not entitled to one.

From here

www.cnas.ro/casmb/page/cardul-european.html



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All European citizens who are insured in the social health insurance system and can prove that they have paid their contribution up-to-date can benefit from a European insurance card.

If the person who obtained a card fails to meet all the conditions on the basis of which the card was issued during its entire life (including the payment of the social health insurance contribution) and during this period it benefits from medical services during a trip in - a Member State of the European Union, the person concerned will bear the cost of these services.
In this situation, the health insurance card issuing the card will reimburse the value of these services to the institution of the Member State that has provided the services and will then recover their counter value from the person concerned.


What rights confer?
The European insurance card confers the right to receive the necessary medical assistance during a temporary stay in an EU Member State but does not cover the situation where the insured moves to an EU Member State for the purpose of receiving medical treatment for preexisting travel disorders.
The medical services provided in the EU Member States on the basis of the card are those provided by the legislation of each state and must not exceed what is necessary from a medical point of view during the temporary stay.
For information on the services you receive under the European Charter on EU / EEA territory, visit: http: //ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp? CatId = 1021 & langId = en & intPageId = 1751
Sorry, it's google translate and I don't have the time to correct anything. If you speak Romanian please check out all the links related to health insurance national funds. I think solely based on her citizenship, even though not insured there, she's entitled to some free treatments while living in Romania (medical procedures like dialysis are included as far as I know), but not on the territory of any other European state, for which she would need a different type of insurance.
Hope that helps. I think she needs a private insurance in her country of residence - Turkey.
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Re: Dialysis Coverage

You would also need to check whether the EHIC would cover dialysis treatment. My understanding is that EHIC covers incidents that occur whilst you're travelling but doesn't cover treatment that is on-going. That's something you definitely need to check.
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