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17.05.2019, 22:55
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | Common sense, in Switzerland???  
Jeeez, come on.
Hundreds of counter examples could be brought, just from EF, to prove that you could not be more wrong...
One of my favorite ones is this one: https://www.englishforum.ch/2910390-post12.html | | | | | Seriously.... I expect you'll find yourself in the minority.
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17.05.2019, 23:11
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: |  | | | If that is the best you can come up with I'd say this is a pretty sane country.
Besides that we all know that he referred to the fact that we don't have those ridiculous cases here where people sue for millions if they themselves drop a cup of coffee in between their legs and find out it is actually possible to get burned by hot water. | | | | | No, it's not.
I meant to say that Switzerland is not the land of common sense in general.
Some areas work very well, but many others don't.
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18.05.2019, 01:55
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | No, it's not.
I meant to say that Switzerland is not the land of common sense in general.
Some areas work very well, but many others don't. | | | | | Out of interest, can you give us a few examples of countries which are 'the land of common sense'? Where all 'areas work very well'? I'm curious about the role models the Swiss should be aiming to emulate.
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18.05.2019, 08:36
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | Unless you're sarcastic you must be utter shit at your IT job, whatever your actual role happens to be. | | | | | What’s with the needless personal abuse ? Henrik has put an example, which seems pretty relevant, showing there are some absurd things you must pay for in Switzerland - having to stump up a load for a name tag on your mailbox with no cost justification seems pretty stupid to me as well.
Switzerland is NOT perfect, stop getting so nationalistic when someone correctly points it out.
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18.05.2019, 09:28
| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | No, it's not.
I meant to say that Switzerland is not the land of common sense in general.
Some areas work very well, but many others don't. | | | | |
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18.05.2019, 10:19
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | What’s with the needless personal abuse ? | | | | | I go along with that. I've probably done it myself here too, but it's not good. | Quote: | |  | | | Henrik has put an example, which seems pretty relevant..... Switzerland is NOT perfect, stop getting so nationalistic when someone correctly points it out. | | | | | But here's where I think you're wrong. Not that Henrik's story wasn't a good example of an annoying rule. But that's the key word: it's a rule. It might be a funny or frustrating rule, but it's a rule, and the Swiss, bless 'em, expect people to obey the rules. It's something I quite like and admire about them, despite the many times it bites us (especially newcomers) on the backside.
@Jim2007 didn't say that CH is perfect, and was nowhere near being "nationalistic". All he said was that in CH "common sense prevails" but this was in the context of comparing Swiss law with (let's be honest) utterly absurd US litigation. We've probably all heard of the case where McDonalds had to pay millions in compensation to a woman who burnt herself with hot coffee while the cup was wedged between her legs in a moving car.
No one thinks Switzerland is literally perfect, but in general it does have an internal consistency that makes sense -- 'common' or otherwise. It's a matter of learning the culture and accepting it.
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18.05.2019, 10:30
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | Switzerland is NOT perfect. | | | | | Of course not, however it is far closer to being perfect than anywhere else.
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18.05.2019, 10:55
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | What’s with the needless personal abuse ? Henrik has put an example, which seems pretty relevant, showing there are some absurd things you must pay for in Switzerland - having to stump up a load for a name tag on your mailbox with no cost justification seems pretty stupid to me as well. | | | | | He's generalising someone's individual behaviour. I'm doing the same, albeit at a different level, and generalise the absense of logic in his post. However only one is Ok, obviously - talk about double standards.
If you took the time you'd find that I've been criticising similar absurdities from other posters, on different topcs, e.g. by Loz. It's not about CH, but of course that woudn't fit your own (and many other's, obviously) preconceptions therefor it must be. | Quote: | |  | | | Switzerland is NOT perfect, stop getting so nationalistic when someone correctly points it out. | | | | | Where do I say it is?
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18.05.2019, 11:03
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | He's generalising someone's individual behaviour. I'm doing the same, albeit at a different level, and generalise the absense of logic in his post. However only one is Ok, obviously - talk about double standards.
If you took the time you'd find I've been criticising similar absurdities from other posters, on different topcs, e.g. by Loz. It's not about CH, but of course that woudn't fit your own preconceptions therefor it must be.
Where do I say it is? | | | | | In fact he is making a summary statement concerning his experience of life in Switzerland ‘in general’, which you are not able to understand the meaning of.
If you could debate at the level of other forum members it would be a lot easier.
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18.05.2019, 11:18
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | In fact he is making a summary statement concerning his experience of life in Switzerland ‘in general’, which you are not able to understand the meaning of.
If you could debate at the level of other forum members it would be a lot easier. | | | | | For the sake of argument let's assume you're Italian. Someone comes to you, you treat them fair and provide excellent service. The conclusion of that individual is that Italy is the land of honest people who provide nothing but excellent service.
That's the level of argument he's using. And that is indeed absurd.
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18.05.2019, 11:43
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | If you could debate at the level of other forum members it would be a lot easier. | | | | | Time junior got a time out....
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18.05.2019, 12:11
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | We've probably all heard of the case where McDonalds had to pay millions in compensation to a woman who burnt herself with hot coffee while the cup was wedged between her legs in a moving car.
. | | | | | That story has to be one of the most falsely represented instances in the history of legal cases. If you care to educate yourself on what really happened : https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...stella-liebeck | The following 6 users would like to thank Downerbuzz for this useful post: | | 
18.05.2019, 12:31
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | For the sake of argument let's assume you're Italian. Someone comes to you, you treat them fair and provide excellent service. The conclusion of that individual is that Italy is the land of honest people who provide nothing but excellent service.
That's the level of argument he's using. And that is indeed absurd. | | | | | No, I disagree. He has spent some time here and has found ‘in general’, ie in his experience having lived here that some things work and some do not. To provide the point he has provided an example, which is valid: charging 70chf for a name tag is not a case of Swiss stabdards and uniformity, it’s the ever-to-common case of enterprises in Switzerland taking advantage of their position and charging over market rates for a single service without the recourse to be allowed to take an alternative provider. This is more than common in Switzerland as many of us long term expats have learned in the process of renting and then buying a house for example.
I agree with the sentiment and fortunately with globalization arriving more in Switzerland the common practice that seems to be seen as being ‘switzerlanded’ is to be overcharged for a service or product is almost seen as something funny and endearing here, whereas it is anything but.
So yes, ‘in general’ some parts of Switzerland are great, no doubt whatsoever, but some are categorically not and providing an example of a case where it isn’t is perfectly acceptable and does not imply everything is great (or rubbish) in the country.
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18.05.2019, 12:31
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | He's generalising someone's individual behaviour. I'm doing the same, albeit at a different level, and generalise the absense of logic in his post. However only one is Ok, obviously - talk about double standards. | | | | | The difference is that yours was unnecessarily rude and personal.
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18.05.2019, 12:33
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | Time junior got a time out.... | | | | | Go back to the Brexit thread Jim, it’s more your style.
Btw yesterday I had a post removed for personal insult, so I am clearly having a two day tantrum but the look of it.
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18.05.2019, 13:58
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | |
Btw yesterday I had a post removed for personal insult, so I am clearly having a two day tantrum but the look of it.
| | | | | Every post I've had deleted in the past few months has been connected with the very same person.
Read into that what you will.
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18.05.2019, 14:24
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | Every post I've had deleted in the past few months has been connected with the very same person.
Read into that what you will. | | | | | It means you don’t like Dougals Breakfast ?
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | So yes, ‘in general’ some parts of Switzerland are great, no doubt whatsoever. | | | | | AKA the Italian speaking bits. | Quote: | |  | | | but some are categorically not. | | | | | AKA the German and French speaking bits.
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18.05.2019, 17:49
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | No, I disagree. He has spent some time here and has found ‘in general’, ie in his experience having lived here that some things work and some do not. To provide the point he has provided an example, which is valid: charging 70chf for a name tag is not a case of Swiss stabdards and uniformity, it’s the ever-to-common case of enterprises in Switzerland taking advantage of their position and charging over market rates for a single service without the recourse to be allowed to take an alternative provider. This is more than common in Switzerland as many of us long term expats have learned in the process of renting and then buying a house for example.
I agree with the sentiment and fortunately with globalization arriving more in Switzerland the common practice that seems to be seen as being ‘switzerlanded’ is to be overcharged for a service or product is almost seen as something funny and endearing here, whereas it is anything but.
So yes, ‘in general’ some parts of Switzerland are great, no doubt whatsoever, but some are categorically not and providing an example of a case where it isn’t is perfectly acceptable and does not imply everything is great (or rubbish) in the country. | | | | | Who is more likely to get ripped of, someone who knows the market or someone who doesn't? What do these actions by individuals that have to do with society as a whole?
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18.05.2019, 18:57
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| | Re: Work Injury / Suing Employer | Quote: | |  | | | Every post I've had deleted in the past few months has been connected with the very same person.
Read into that what you will. | | | | | I'd say it means you need to put that person on ignore and not engage. Unless it's a mod, then you're stuffed.
There is no need for some of the personal attacks that go back-and-forth here. Argue the point, not the person.
Back on topic -
OP, has the workplace done anything to ensure a similar injury doesn't happen again? i.e. replace the board(s) that had the sharp edge?
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