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Old 08.07.2019, 10:46
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Both, getting diagnosed with depression or “burn out” is easy. GP’s are all too willing to sign people off sick with either.

I’m not saying that depression isn’t real, however it is a condition that many take advantage of.
Not exactly depression but my Sister-in-law here was always ridiculed because of her exhaustion and anxiety she has had throughout her life - especially by her GP who always said it was just panic attacks and depression.

it turns out now she has (and has always had) a serious heart defect and is booked in for lengthy open-heart surgery.
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Old 08.07.2019, 11:03
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Yes, namely that you’re not allowed to question anyone who claims that they suffer from depression.
Go ahead Loz, ask away.
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However, to assume by default that depression "can't be real if there's no actual reason" (as Hausamsee did) is the same as saying paraplegics are just all fakes. Who's to qualify what a "valid reason" for depression is? Yes. Exactly. No one.
This was actually what Hausamsee was saying/implying, not the usual diversion from Loz.
He drew a bone at us and we're happily chewing on it forgetting the main issues that have been explicitly said or implied here. Well done as usual, Loz.
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Old 08.07.2019, 11:28
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This is total bollox.

I just hope that you never experience the illness of depression - or any of the myriad of mental problems millions suffer from...
The way you talk right here is half the problem, so intimidating!

Just so you know, I used to suffer from ('the illness') of depression, in fact only until a few years ago it was a continuous part of my set-up. For those here who immediately condemn me for my opinion why not take a look at yourselves? I won't go into detail but I had a fairly difficult childhood and only until I changed many aspects of my life (myself) including health, sleep, eating habits, etc did I realise how much better life can be and now I never get depressed.

Maybe some here might need to define 'depression' too. Just in case you might jump to conclusions try not to get 'depression' mixed up with mental issues, they are completely different issues.

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Old 08.07.2019, 11:28
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This was actually what Hausamsee was saying/implying, not the usual diversion from Loz.
He drew a bone at us and we're happily chewing on it forgetting the main issues that have been explicitly said or implied here. Well done as usual, Loz.
No I know, but his comment still deserved a reaction (well in my view anyway), because as sad as it is, he has a point.

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until I changed many aspects of my life (myself) including health, sleep, eating habits, etc did I realise how much better life can be and now I never get depressed.
That may have worked for you. It doesn't work for everyone. And your implication that depression needs a "reason" to be valid is horrifying, sorry. It is NOT (always) a matter of "lifestyle choices".

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Old 08.07.2019, 11:43
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No I know, but his comment still deserved a reaction (well in my view anyway), because as sad as it is, he has a point.



That may have worked for you. It doesn't work for everyone. And your implication that depression needs a "reason" to be valid is horrifying, sorry. It is NOT (always) a matter of "lifestyle choices".
Yes but don't take my statement out of context. I never implied that there had to be a 'reason' for depression! What I have said is quite simple, you cannot justify every issue a person has as 'depression'...
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Old 08.07.2019, 12:09
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The way you talk right here is half the problem, so intimidating!
If someone saying bollocks is so intimidating then you need to go through your previous posts and you will find MANY examples of you flying off the handle at people in a way that many delicate flowers such as yourself would find "intimidating". Don't be a hypocrite.

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Maybe some here might need to define 'depression' too. Just in case you might jump to conclusions try not to get 'depression' mixed up with mental issues, they are completely different issues.
Depression is psychological... therefore classed as a 'mental' illness!
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Old 08.07.2019, 12:12
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Maybe some here might need to define 'depression' too. Just in case you might jump to conclusions try not to get 'depression' mixed up with mental issues, they are completely different issues.
So you are saying a depression can't be a mental disorder?

Well that must be the most dumb post of the week, and it is only Monday.
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Old 08.07.2019, 12:20
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So you are saying a depression can't be a mental disorder?

Well that must be the most dumb post of the week, and it is only Monday.
Are you a psychologist?
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Old 08.07.2019, 12:24
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Are you a psychologist?
If you do not understand (or should I say, choose to ignore) that depression is under the umbrella of mental health then you are very ignorant.
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Old 08.07.2019, 12:50
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Yes, namely that you’re not allowed to question anyone who claims that they suffer from depression.
Seriously? People do it all the time, usually those who have no clue about mental illnesses.


I am not a psychologist, but I have been treated (fairly successfully) for anxiety and depression, I‘ve studied and published on how mental illnesses are stigmatized.

I would never say „suffered from“ or „is a victim of“ any disease.

And, i‘m happy, too. I think happiness is largely the product of an internal frame. A lot of it has to do with autonomy, support and perception of the ability to cope.
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If you do not understand (or should I say, choose to ignore) that depression is under the umbrella of mental health then you are very ignorant.
The problems in this world are greatly exacerbated by characters like you, you are on this forum every day (I think in disguise as you 'were' someone else before no?) and think you know everything, if I had to have any personal connection with you I think then I could honestly say I would be a 'very unhappy person'...
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Not exactly depression but my Sister-in-law here was always ridiculed because of her exhaustion and anxiety she has had throughout her life - especially by her GP who always said it was just panic attacks and depression.

it turns out now she has (and has always had) a serious heart defect and is booked in for lengthy open-heart surgery.
Similar thing happened to my brother. Diagnosed with various types of depression by a number of doctors on many different occasions, prescribed a cocktail of drugs - lithium, the works. Spent the best part of a decade as a walking Zombie. Eventually turned out in the end he was suffering from sleep apnea. Minor surgery took place and it turned his life around. No troubles or medications ever since. This is another reason why I always raise an eyebrow when people say that we should blindingly trust “experts”.

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But how difficult to you think it is to fake a burnout (which is at least linked to depression)? Throw in some clichés, say you haven't slept for a while, maybe cry a bit - done. Buys you at the very least a couple of months, sometimes more.
Telling them you’ve lost all interest in sex also does the trick.
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I'm not so sure that GPs are too willing to sign people off sick, that also means prescribing meds and I honestly don't see many doctors willing to take that risk.

I also don't have any info on your second statement either. You can equally say that people fake schizophrenia or whatever other mental illness. Do we really want to go down that path?
Not really, faking depression can see you signed off sick on full pay for months at a time, faking schizophrenia will likely see you sectioned.
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Re: Happy - are you?

Thanks for all the replies. Even though this thread was started about happiness - and thanks to those who replied about that - the excursion into depression has been very revealing.

In particular, from your post Samaire13 but also others, and real-life experience, I'd be interested to know how you feel you can determine which are genuine and which are the fake cases? The thing is, most of those I've ever met, who were experiencing depression, did not fulfil a cliché of a "mad, mentally ill, deranged" person, but also not even of the Hollywood cliché of a person with depression (dirty, miserable looking, groaning and sighing, helpless, complaining, unable to understand a conversation).

I know seriously, life-threateningly depressed people who are barely coping at all, who, if one saw them in a café, at the library or in the movies, would be behaviourally inconspicuous. The days one sees them out there, are in those windows of respite, in which they have dragged themselves up out of bed, scraping together the energy, sometimes with hours and hours of effort, sometimes with gentle, strong support from someone they trust, and lo, there they are, inwardly falling apart, though looking groomed and polite like everyone else. And when they coincidentally bump into their neighbour or their work colleague and say they've been booked off ill, they are met with: "Wow, well you don't look ill!" or a pronouncement over their heads: "Oh, I'm so glad you're feeling better!"
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The problems in this world are greatly exacerbated by characters like you, you are on this forum every day (I think in disguise as you 'were' someone else before no?) and think you know everything, if I had to have any personal connection with you I think then I could honestly say I would be a 'very unhappy person'...
No I don't think I know everything, but I am well-read and I do trust medical science (at least for the most well-established parts), and the vast amount of research and expertise that goes into it, over the word for some internet crackpot with a history of posting absolute nonsense (that's you, by the way).

From your posts which are often of a very bi-polar nature (one minute you preach peace and love and tell people off what being 'intimidating' and then next minute you fly off the handle and get aggressive and insulting) it is clear that here is still something not quite right with you.
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Not really, faking depression can see you signed off sick on full pay for months at a time, faking schizophrenia will likely see you sectioned.
About "sectioned".
In Switzerland, there are only two reasons which can ever lead to anyone being placed in a locked psychiatric unit:
  1. being at risk of endangering oneself, which can mean a real likelihood of suicide or can mean radical neglect of self-care
  2. being at risk of endangering someone else's life.

The locked status may continue only for as long as one of these conditions is fulfilled. Thereafter, no-one may keep the patient hospitalised against his/her will.

This means, in effect, that many people with schizophrenia do not ever need to be placed in a locked unit, while some people with depression do.
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Old 08.07.2019, 13:43
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Yes but don't take my statement out of context. I never implied that there had to be a 'reason' for depression! What I have said is quite simple, you cannot justify every issue a person has as 'depression'...
Huh? what in God's name would it be if not a mental illness?

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Oh for example the dozens of cases in my company who weren't happy with a performance rating or whatever and then called in sick with "burnout" the next day, and didn't show up again for months on end, if ever (of course at full pay as our company is very generous). That kind of case. Yes depression can hit out of nowhere, I've seen it, I've even seen it lead to one case of a shockingly sudden suicide, but all those cases? Nope, not real. And a slap in the face for everyone who actually suffers from mental illness.

I know very well that depression doesn't have to be visible and not everyone is a mad, deranged, dirty, miserable-looking and helpless person. I always give the benefit of the doubt as mental illness has been a recurring theme around me forever, but I indeed know of some cases where it was more than obviously not real and just a (sadly even successful) attempt at extortion.
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For those here who immediately condemn me for my opinion why not take a look at yourselves?
I have no problem with opinions. When it comes to politics, fashion or football. I have a lot of problems with people who demand that their opinion is valuable when it comes to scientific facts. See the whole global warming debate. No, an opinion is not as valuable as properly researched information.

You claimed that the whole concept of depression is just some people living the wrong lifestyle. Thats frankly speaking just idiotic. Its a well established and in fact one of the most common disorders of all. After my dad had a stroke, he also suffered a depression… and thats pretty normal. Its also a common side-effect of Parkinsons and God knows how many other diseases. Not because a patient wasnt cheerful enough or did not eat his veggies...
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Old 08.07.2019, 13:59
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No I don't think I know everything, but I am well-read and I do trust medical science (at least for the most well-established parts), and the vast amount of research and expertise that goes into it, over the word for some internet crackpot with a history of posting absolute nonsense (that's you, by the way).

From your posts which are often of a very bi-polar nature (one minute you preach peace and love and tell people off what being 'intimidating' and then next minute you fly off the handle and get aggressive and insulting) it is clear that here is still something not quite right with you.
I hope both of your personas don't mean that

So you're 'well-read' and 'trust' medical science then. And you like to pin the 'bi-polar' aspect on people who think you're really an opinionated type of poster?

Hilarious.
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