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Old 24.07.2019, 13:57
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I actually called and had a chat with the anti-vax Swiss pediatrician primary doctor of my daughter. I called because I get specially uneasy while traveling to some place where there have been reports of recent outbreaks of at least one of those diseases.

I was going for holidays with my daughter to Genoa Italy where there have been Measles outbreaks recently due to lack of vaccination https://www.thelocal.it/20181115/man...sles-outbreaks. We were going to visit the Genoa Aquarium which has not only locals but also people from all over the world visiting.

The answer from the Swiss pediatrician was "which exact Measles strain vaccination are you thinking about? because there are multiple Measles strains and doesn't make sense vaccinating against all of them. The only thing that you should worry about is not having a car accident rather than being exposed to Measles. If you convince the mother then I will be happy to vaccinate your daughter".

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A ‘doctor’ with such a basic lack of understanding of how the measles vaccine works really shouldn’t be allowed to practise medicine.
This is frightening.
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I'm the father of a 7 y.o. and the mother (we're single parents) disagrees to any kind of vaccination. In fact, my daughter has no vaccinations at all so far not even against Tetanus, Poliomyelitis or Measles. My ex flat disagrees and is against any vaccination. She also chose a Swiss Pediatrician that is aligned with her opinions.

Does the mother has the full saying on this matter? Do I as the father have any right to force vaccination? what would you do in my shoes? take the legal path?
I have the same issue actually and it feels horrible. We have agreed to wait till our daughter is one year old to do some of the vaccinations. At this point, I know it is a small victory, but you take what you get and keep fighting for more ...

On the flip side, at least yours go to an incompetent pediatrician, mine goes to a fcking quack by the name of Andreas fckmair. This guy studied marketing and making a fortune by scaring the shit out of parents, ensuring kids do not get vaccinated and selling his shit books. His study, that could have been better and more scientifically performed by my hairy ass, does not even reach the class of absolute useless.... (anyone can contribute, anonymously - If any of you is a computer nerd, can you not build a script that goes through the questionnaire 50.000 times and breaks his shit "research" into pieces?)

I will try to not get started on this, need to get a drink, bang my head bloody against a wall to calm down a bit now, all I wanted to share actually was that I made a binder where I broke down each and every stupid reason that my girlfriend had about vaccination (not needed, not working, not studies showing vaccination effectiveness, aluminum in the vaccine, young kids cannot tolerate vaccine, vaccination causes autism etc). This has now led to her allowing for basic vaccination. If needed, I am happy to give the binder to you, for me it has done its job, maybe it helps you.

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I really hope that you find a solution to this. Anti-vaxxers are amongst the worst people on the planet and shows the dangers of lay people interpreting medical data. The paper that is regularly flung around as a link to autism was not just debunked, most of the researchers admitted that they falsified data and withdrew their findings. The doctor that led the research is banned from practising medicine.

Earlier in this thread it was pointed out that there is no legal basis to force a parent to vaccinate their kid. Would this not also mean that there is no legal implications if a parent decides to vaccinate their kid without the permission of the other?

As a side note, I was getting some vaccinations last year and the doctor who specialises in diseases also explained that thanks to too many unvaccinated here in Switzerland, the MMR I received in the 80s might not be sufficient. Basically the need to receive it once was based on the belief that most of the population is vaccinated. So she gave me a new MMR. I must admit I wondered if it was a way to get more cash out of me but I accepted it anyway! After 2 MMRs I'm still here to tell the story.
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Old 25.07.2019, 13:18
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Re: vaccination dispute

Got my 2-month-old girl vaccinated today her first shots.

Proud to know she's not going to contribute to the growing epidemics of avoidable diseases or put others in danger who are not able to have the shots for medical reasons.

On another note, the doctor said both myself and the wife should get a whooping cough booster. Consider that one done too.

As adults, we forget we need to top up vaccinations, make sure you ask next time you visit the doctors.
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Re: vaccination dispute

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I really hope that you find a solution to this. Anti-vaxxers are amongst the worst people on the planet and shows the dangers of lay people interpreting medical data. The paper that is regularly flung around as a link to autism was not just debunked, most of the researchers admitted that they falsified data and withdrew their findings. The doctor that led the research is banned from practising medicine.

Earlier in this thread it was pointed out that there is no legal basis to force a parent to vaccinate their kid. Would this not also mean that there is no legal implications if a parent decides to vaccinate their kid without the permission of the other?

As a side note, I was getting some vaccinations last year and the doctor who specialises in diseases also explained that thanks to too many unvaccinated here in Switzerland, the MMR I received in the 80s might not be sufficient. Basically the need to receive it once was based on the belief that most of the population is vaccinated. So she gave me a new MMR. I must admit I wondered if it was a way to get more cash out of me but I accepted it anyway! After 2 MMRs I'm still here to tell the story.
A couple of years back I had my Dr. do some blood tests to indicate immunity to various diseases, including some that I had as a kid. Got a few 'negative' results, ie I wasn't immune. So she topped them up. A couple I had to get second doses a few months later.

This was my idea and she didn't push it, but she obviously though it was a good idea.

I encourage everyone, particularly those with chronic conditions, to do likewise. It certainly can't hurt.
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