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Mr.Maquiavelo 23.07.2019 12:36

vaccination dispute
 
I'm the father of a 7 y.o. and the mother (we're single parents) disagrees to any kind of vaccination. In fact, my daughter has no vaccinations at all so far not even against Tetanus, Poliomyelitis or Measles. My ex flat disagrees and is against any vaccination. She also chose a Swiss Pediatrician that is aligned with her opinions.

Does the mother has the full saying on this matter? Do I as the father have any right to force vaccination? what would you do in my shoes? take the legal path?

henrikh 23.07.2019 12:49

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What do you mean by taking the legal path?
Vaccinations are not mandatory in Switzerland, there are just legally non-binding recommendations, so the mother's view is completely fine from a legal point of view.

k_and_e 23.07.2019 12:59

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maquiavelo (Post 3085172)
I'm the father of a 7 y.o. and the mother (we're single parents) disagrees to any kind of vaccination. In fact, my daughter has no vaccinations at all so far not even against Tetanus, Poliomyelitis or Measles. My ex flat disagrees and is against any vaccination. She also chose a Swiss Pediatrician that is aligned with her opinions.

Does the mother has the full saying on this matter? Do I as the father have any right to force vaccination? what would you do in my shoes? take the legal path?


Can't you just have her vaccinated when she is with you?

It will not do the relationship with the mother any good though.

Treverus 23.07.2019 13:07

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maquiavelo (Post 3085172)
She also chose a Swiss Pediatrician that is aligned with her opinions.

Just that I get this right: there are anti-vax doctors in CH?!

aSwissInTheUS 23.07.2019 13:12

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Not even Tetanus :eek: :rolleyes: :( Plain bonkers.

Do you have shared custody? Does your child visit you? Extreme decision would be to get her the shots during a visit. It could be that this is considered as a routine intervention were the other's parent consent is not needed. But check first with a lawyer as the backlash can be severe.

There is a case in Basel Land where a father went to the civil court. This particular court said that vaccination are not vital, child's wellbeing is not in danger when there is no vaccination. :eek: So the father has no say, as non-vaccination is the default state.
https://www.watson.ch/schweiz/kranke...gibt-ihr-recht

There is no case law in Switzerland. Do not get put off by this decision. Each case is considered unique, with the right argumentation, expert support you could win your case in the same court/same judge, even Federal Court.


PS: "Not every child has to be vaccinated, just those you want to see to grow up into adults" - Unkown

3Wishes 23.07.2019 13:27

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3085180)
Just that I get this right: there are anti-vax doctors in CH?!

Sure. And ones that will prescribe you homeopathic water for a bundle of money too. ;)

henrikh 23.07.2019 13:28

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3085180)
Just that I get this right: there are anti-vax doctors in CH?!

Yes, definitely.
In the French-speaking part the group of non vaccination friendly doctors even maintain a web site: http://www.infovaccins.ch/ (in French)

Treverus 23.07.2019 13:31

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Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 3085188)
Sure. And ones that will prescribe you homeopathic water for a bundle of money too. ;)

Well, homeopathic water rarely kills… and makes good money. So if there is some patient that might not be as ill as he thinks… why not?

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Originally Posted by henrikh (Post 3085189)
Yes, definitely.
In the French-speaking part the group of non vaccination friendly doctors even maintain a web site: http://www.infovaccins.ch/ (in French)

They are putting the hypocrisy into the hippocratic oath...

EastEnders 23.07.2019 13:55

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Hmmm, that Mum should be made to visit a hospital and whilst at it, also a a residental home for handicapped children to see what might happen if she lets her daughter remain unprotected against many illnesses. Or better, the mum should endure one of those illneses you can vaccinate against nowadays, it is no laughing matter!!!!!

I am a daughter of a man who had Polio as a kid (and saw subsequently first-hand all the hurdles he had to over come)....and then I went and trained in a nursing profession.

During my working years in nursing (1984-1996) I came across; handicapped kids that caught measles and became blind and/or deaf, 2 elderly farmer's wives not having had tetanus shots, hurt themselves gardening and both developped catalepsy, one of them died.
Several elderly people that suffered from tuberculosis and pertussis.......without question my offspring all got inoculated!

One thing I also think super important in young girls and boys ,is the HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccination, which will help prevent cancer of the reproduction organs

Unfortunately, there seems not much that you can do, but hope that your girl might one day decide herself to get vaccinated....or maybe shock the mother into action by showing her what might happen.......

gaburko 23.07.2019 13:57

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Originally Posted by henrikh (Post 3085189)
In the French-speaking part the group of non vaccination friendly doctors even maintain a web site: http://www.infovaccins.ch/ (in French)

One more proof we have pro-created too much as a species and the natural system of checks and balances has failed us.

bigblue2 23.07.2019 14:00

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so if the father has no rights to force them in a swiss court, does that mean a mother has no rights to prevent them?

EdwinNL 23.07.2019 14:01

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If needed I would find another doctor who is willing to give the vaccinations, and if my wife would hate me for that, so be it. I'd be willing to have a divorce over such. The trouble of a divorce will be so much less than the pain me and the kid would have if he manages to catches one of these disease that easily could have been prevented.

EdwinNL 23.07.2019 14:03

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Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 3085204)
so if the father has no rights to force them in a swiss court, does that mean a mother has no rights to prevent them?

1. There is no legal need to change a situation.
2. Mother wants to keep situation as is.
3. Father wants to chance the situation.

How can a judge force any action to be undertaken if there is no legal ground for it?

Like it or not, a court is not the place to be for this.

aSwissInTheUS 23.07.2019 14:16

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Originally Posted by EastEnders (Post 3085202)
One thing I also think super important in young girls ,is the HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccination, which will help prevent cancer of the female reproduction organs

What a feminist bullshit :msnmad:

Sorry, semi serious ;). But HPV affects the male population and their reproductive organs as well. Luckily, the vaccination is now also approved and available cost free for boys.
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...blick/hpv.html
https://www.krebsliga.ch/krebs-vorbe...s/hpv-impfung/

aSwissInTheUS 23.07.2019 14:22

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Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 3085204)
so if the father has no rights to force them in a swiss court, does that mean a mother has no rights to prevent them?

No. A single Swiss court has decided in a single specific case. Other court, other case, other arguments, other opinion, other outcome.

EastEnders 23.07.2019 14:44

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3085215)
What a feminist bullshit :msnmad:

Sorry, semi serious ;). But HPV affects the male population and their reproductive organs as well. Luckily, the vaccination is now also approved and available cost free for boys.
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...blick/hpv.html
https://www.krebsliga.ch/krebs-vorbe...s/hpv-impfung/


ooppps, sorry, I am certainly not a Feminist!! And since I only have three daughters, I may be only orientated towards them, never needed to look a the boy's side,so frankly didn't know that it helps boys prevent cancer too.

I would appreciate, if you wouldn't jump to conlcusions and and call me names :-P

dandi 23.07.2019 15:21

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Originally Posted by Mr.Maquiavelo (Post 3085172)
I'm the father of a 7 y.o. and the mother (we're single parents) disagrees to any kind of vaccination.

You could try to contact the "cantonal doctor" and get some advice

https://gd.zh.ch/internet/gesundheit...n/medizin.html

They usually deal with all kinds of legal issues related to medical practice, including vaccination. They might have encountered this situation already

RufusB 23.07.2019 16:09

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I don't understand how a country that is happy to micro -manage most things does not have a vaccination policy. What about babies? Do they not get routine vaccinations?

Sandgrounder 23.07.2019 16:21

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Originally Posted by RufusB (Post 3085262)
I don't understand how a country that is happy to micro -manage most things does not have a vaccination policy. What about babies? Do they not get routine vaccinations?

There are routine vaccinations which most people get here but I guess if you find a crank pediatrician who will pander to conspiracy theory junkies, it will further affirm their beliefs.

Hope the OP finds a way of getting his little one up to date on vaccinations.

dandi 23.07.2019 16:22

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P.S. I guess one potential route for you would be a situation where vaccination would be necessary/recommended as a matter of safety that would legally counterbalance the wish of the other parent against vaccination. As in, not vaccinating would lead to a direct risk to your daughter. For instance if you were to be travelling to a third party country at risk of polio and other nasty diseases and then you would return to your daughter I would be very, very worried that you daughter may catch the disease from you. It would be necessary to vaccinate her as a matter of precaution.

In any case, children can catch Tetanus or Polio simply by playing in the dirt outside. How that isn't that enough reason to vaccinate is beyond me.

Talk to a lawyer if common sense doesn't prevail


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