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Registering marriage in Switzerland - confusing!

Hi all,

Maybe somebody who has married abroad and then registered their marriage in Switzerland can help me.

I'm a Brit, I married my Mexican wife in August this year in Mexico and everything went fine.

We went to the "controle des habitants" to register our marriage but they said we should contact the Swiss embassy in Mexico. We fulfilled everything the Swiss embassy asked but then they said they cannot help us, as neither of us are Swiss.

I've contacted the UK embassy in Mexico in the meantime, but does anybody else have experience in this, or any ideas?

Thanks a lot
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If neither of you are Swiss, do you need to register the marriage here?

I'd have thought the most you'd need to do is update your status as regards tax, permit (if necessary) bank accounts, etc.
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If neither of you are Swiss, do you need to register the marriage here?

I'd have thought the most you'd need to do is update your status as regards tax, permit (if necessary) bank accounts, etc.
We were hoping we could just register it at the Controle des habitants but they directed us to the Swiss embassy as they don't have authority.

We have already updated with employer, banks, etc. - the problem is tax - we should be taxed together for this year but we are not recognized as married so it's a bit of a mess.
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- the problem is tax - we should be taxed together for this year but we are not recognized as married so it's a bit of a mess.

Strange, they just took my word for it, did not have to register anything.
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Re: Registering marriage in Switzerland - confusing!

I got married in the US with my CH/Canadian wife while on vacation in the US.

We returned to CH, I was married but she wasn't, took almost a full year to iron that out.

They sent our marriage certificate back to the consulate in NYC to be translated.

Fortunately, this had happened to a Swiss friend's sister who had married a German in Germany, so he knew what to do.

Total costs: CHF 35.

But if neither of you are Swiss, I fail to see the problem.

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Hi all,

Maybe somebody who has married abroad and then registered their marriage in Switzerland can help me.

I'm a Brit, I married my Mexican wife in August this year in Mexico and everything went fine.

We went to the "controle des habitants" to register our marriage but they said we should contact the Swiss embassy in Mexico. We fulfilled everything the Swiss embassy asked but then they said they cannot help us, as neither of us are Swiss.

I've contacted the UK embassy in Mexico in the meantime, but does anybody else have experience in this, or any ideas?

Thanks a lot

Hello, a mexican married with another mexican here.



The rules say that you need present to contrôle des habitants the marriage certificate from Mexico with apostille (notarization for international recognition because 3rd country). The apostille needs to be done in Mexico in the state were the marriage was done. You may delegate this task to someone in Mexico, see the list for apostille offices: http://dicoppu.segob.gob.mx/work/mod...EDERATIVAS.pdf



But...I was lucky because someone at contrôle des habitants in Neuchâtel was in a good mood that day and just asked me to highlight with a marker in a copy of the marriage certificate names, last name, birth dates, names of parents, etc. No notarized translation required Then, she input the data on some database and voila!



So, did you presented the marriage certificate to contrôle des habitants and they required a translation or apostille?



I'd guess that the best would be to ask the Mexican embassy in Bern. I'm quite confident this is not the first time this happens https://embamex.sre.gob.mx/suiza/ind...to/contactanos
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Hello, a mexican married with another mexican here.



The rules say that you need present to contrôle des habitants the marriage certificate from Mexico with apostille (notarization for international recognition because 3rd country). The apostille needs to be done in Mexico in the state were the marriage was done. You may delegate this task to someone in Mexico, see the list for apostille offices: http://dicoppu.segob.gob.mx/work/mod...EDERATIVAS.pdf



But...I was lucky because someone at contrôle des habitants in Neuchâtel was in a good mood that day and just asked me to highlight with a marker in a copy of the marriage certificate names, last name, birth dates, names of parents, etc. No notarized translation required Then, she input the data on some database and voila!



So, did you presented the marriage certificate to contrôle des habitants and they required a translation or apostille?



I'd guess that the best would be to ask the Mexican embassy in Bern. I'm quite confident this is not the first time this happens https://embamex.sre.gob.mx/suiza/ind...to/contactanos
Thanks for this! If it can be as simple as that then we would be very happy!

We actually tried in the Controle des habitants in Gorgier as that's where we currently live. Maybe if we try Neuchatel they will be more accustomed to it... we'll also try the Mexican Embassy here in Switzerland.

Thanks a lot for your quick & valuable replies everybody. Will update ASAP
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Thanks for this! If it can be as simple as that then we would be very happy!

We actually tried in the Controle des habitants in Gorgier as that's where we currently live. Maybe if we try Neuchatel they will be more accustomed to it... we'll also try the Mexican Embassy here in Switzerland.

Thanks a lot for your quick & valuable replies everybody. Will update ASAP
I lived at the time in Colombier, NE. For the address change to Aargau, I don't remember is the marriage certificate was asked or not.


Also, there's a facebook group of Mexicans living in NE and Vaud, someone must have solved this issue before https://www.facebook.com/amex.vd.ne/

Last edited by Axa; 10.01.2020 at 16:56. Reason: added link to FB group
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Re: Registering marriage in Switzerland - confusing!

According to this document, it should go through the Swiss Emabssy in Mexico, which will forward it to the relevant autorities in Switzerland.
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/countri...irat_mex_F.pdf

There is some more information in Spanish
https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/m...atrimonio.html

Here some general information what has to be done when you got married abroad:
https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/m...tat-civil.html
https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/data/bj/...slandehe-f.pdf

The last one also says it should be done throught the embassy/consulate abroad. But it also mentions that you might be able to register through the canton:
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L'annonce peut exceptionnellement aussi être faite à l'autorité cantonale de surveillance de l'état civil qui envoie les documents, si nécessaire, à la représentation de la Suisse à l'étranger compétente pour traduction et légalisation (soumis à émoluments; l'autorité cantonale de surveillance compétente fournira les informations nécessaires)
For canton NE that would be: https://www.ne.ch/autorites/DJSC/JUS...s/accueil.aspx
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According to this document, it should go through the Swiss Emabssy in Mexico, which will forward it to the relevant autorities in Switzerland.
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/countri...irat_mex_F.pdf

There is some more information in Spanish
https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/m...atrimonio.html

Here some general information what has to be done when you got married abroad:
https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/m...tat-civil.html
https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/data/bj/...slandehe-f.pdf

The last one also says it should be done throught the embassy/consulate abroad. But it also mentions that you might be able to register through the canton:

For canton NE that would be: https://www.ne.ch/autorites/DJSC/JUS...s/accueil.aspx
Link #4 is relevant when one of the spouses is Swiss:

"Les citoyennes et citoyens suisses, ainsi que les étrangères et étrangers qui ont une relation avec un citoyen ou une citoyenne suisse en vertu du droit de la famille ou qui sont domiciliés en Suisse et dont les données d'état civil sont disponibles dans le registre de l'état civil sont tenus d'annoncer leur mariage célébréà l'étranger à la représentation de la Suisse à l'étranger."

A relevant part for UK and Mexican spouses married in MX is also in the first link:

"TOUS LES ACTES MEXICAINS D’ETAT CIVIL AINSI QUE LA DECLARATION TENANT LIEU DE SERMENT DOIVENT ETRE LEGALISES PAR L’APPOSITION DE L’APOSTILLE.

L’apostille doit être procurée dans l’état (canton) auprès du «Secretariat de Gobierno» où l’acte a été établi."

In theory, all is needed is an apostille from Mexico. This text, stamp and signatures made by a notary public on the back of the document https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_Convention
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Also foreigners domiciled in Switzerland.

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"Les citoyennes et citoyens suisses, ainsi que les étrangères et étrangers qui ont une relation avec un citoyen ou une citoyenne suisse en vertu du droit de la famille ou qui sont domiciliés en Suisse et dont les données d'état civil sont disponibles dans le registre de l'état civil sont tenus d'annoncer leur mariage célébréà l'étranger à la représentation de la Suisse à l'étranger."
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Re: Registering marriage in Switzerland - confusing!

Thanks all.

Indeed the UK Embassy got back to me, they can't help. Seems like it should be managed internally in Switzerland.

I'll go to the état civil today to see what they can do!
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