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Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

Hi team members,

We are planning on relocating to Zug (from France) in August and have a 5 year old son and 2.5 year old daughter.

I applied to the DaySchool but was told: No valid rental agreement => You cannot apply for your kid

I am trying to figure out if there is a chance for my son to get accepted to the Zug dayschool if we get a rental agreement in June or July, and if not, then whether the city of Zug has the legal obligation to find him a place in school since he will be 5 before the end of February this year (and hence school becomes compulsory from September).

Your guidance and insights would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

Once the kid is registered as a resident and the kid is obliged to go to school, the commune must and will find a place in a local public school.

https://www.zg.ch/behoerden/direktio...ool-system-zug

Edit: In Canton ZG the first year of Kindergarten is voluntarily. But if I am not mistaken, even tough voluntarily, you have a right to a place in a public Kindergarten also for the first year.
If you move before the start of the new school year he can already join and make friends.
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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

Thanks for that. My concern is that I applied to the Day School as they offer full day care of the kid. For normal primary school this is not the case so what do parents do when kids get off school at lunch time and don't have school 2 days out of 5? Is the Kanton obliged to provide care for these kids?
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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

The town is not obliged to provide out of hours care.

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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

Thanks Tom, so typically how do parents who both work do for their 5/6-year old kids to be taken care of until 6:30pm (the "one parent stops working" would not be applicable for us)?
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Thanks Tom, so typically how do parents who both work do for their 5/6-year old kids to be taken care of until 6:30pm (the "one parent stops working" would not be applicable for us)?

You work something out privately.


Just as a side note, kids are what goats have as offspring and you would usually look for a farm for them
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Thanks Tom, so typically how do parents who both work do for their 5/6-year old kids to be taken care of until 6:30pm (the "one parent stops working" would not be applicable for us)?
A "Hort" is one possibility. That's after-school daycare. Ours only goes until 6pm - every village is different though, you might get lucky. But they tend to fill up fast and may or may not have space by the time you arrive.

A "Tagesmutter" (childminder, in-home daycare) is another option. A nanny is another one. Again it depends on finding someone compatible with your family, with availability on the days you need.

Note that even on days your kid has school in both the morning and afternoon, they will still be expected to go home for lunch! So for those days, until the kid is responsible enough to fly solo (come home, fix lunch, eat, entertain themselves but also get back out the door at the right time) you need a "Mittagstisch". Depending where you live, sometimes this can be organized through the school (at extra cost of course) but more often it's separate and private. Again, book early as these places will fill up.
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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

I might be wrong. But your 5 year old would go to Kindergarten first. http://www.stadtschulenzug.ch/de/schule/kindergartenfs/
The Tagesschule Zug has no Kindergarten. http://www.stadtschulenzug.ch/de/schule/tagesschule/

Which means you have to look anyway for some kind of day care. As Kindergarten in Zug City is from 8 to 12, plus one afternoon per week.
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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

Thanks all for your views. I start realizing that getting school sorted while out of the country is extreely challenging.
I start thinking that "Importing" my amazing filipino nanny from France and pay her as a normal Swiss employee will make my life easier and make her happy to earn twice as much as what she gets in France.

If you have any tip on how complex it is to import a filipino nanny who has been employed by us (and declared, all clean) for over 4 years (excluding 1 month 1.5 years ago), that could be very useful.

Thanks
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Thanks all for your views. I start realizing that getting school sorted while out of the country is extreely challenging.
I start thinking that "Importing" my amazing filipino nanny from France and pay her as a normal Swiss employee will make my life easier and make her happy to earn twice as much as what she gets in France.

If you have any tip on how complex it is to import a filipino nanny who has been employed by us (and declared, all clean) for over 4 years (excluding 1 month 1.5 years ago), that could be very useful.

Thanks
You'd have to get a permit for the nanny which might be problematic as she's (presumably) not half Swiss or a holder of an EU passport. Simply being in your employ, regardless of how long, probably won't be sufficient grounds for a permit.
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Thanks all for your views. I start realizing that getting school sorted while out of the country is extreely challenging.
I start thinking that "Importing" my amazing filipino nanny from France and pay her as a normal Swiss employee will make my life easier and make her happy to earn twice as much as what she gets in France.

If you have any tip on how complex it is to import a filipino nanny who has been employed by us (and declared, all clean) for over 4 years (excluding 1 month 1.5 years ago), that could be very useful.

Thanks
Put her in the container and “import» her with the rest of your shit.

Have you no respect for her or your farm animals ?
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Have you no respect for her or your farm animals ?
Woken up with the wrong foot today?

His/her post is maybe worded poorly, but the intent is clear
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His/her post is maybe worded poorly, but the intent is clear



Poorly worded ?


to "import" a human being is quite simply derogatory and repulsive, especially as we can see the profile of the OP, they should really know better.


Hitler imported and exported human beings
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His/her post is maybe worded poorly, but the intent is clear
Plus she did put «import» in inverted commas so she knew it wasn’t the correct term to use.
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Re: Getting School sorted before moving to Zug

For the OP,

I think the point is, albeit perhaps badly worded a bit here, is that many places in CH will not cater to two working parents and this in particular regards the school system and childcare. It is up to the parents to find a solution, even lifestyle changes, to do this. Some schools/districts/cantons have a great system, others nil or nothing. There are a variety of possibilities listed here or on other threads that should work for most parents. It won't be easy and nearly impossible to do from abroad, but you will find a solution. And it for sure will not come without a price tag, probably sticker shock to most. So be sure to budget accordingly, rethink priorities, or even the move if need be.

Living near a border region to France here, there are many that move over the border to France when having young children as the early childcare and schooling is generally easier on working parents from many testimonials. Thus, what works or available in one country, can be vastly different next door.
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For the OP,

I think the point is, albeit perhaps badly worded a bit here, is that many places in CH will not cater to two working parents and this in particular regards the school system and childcare. It is up to the parents to find a solution, even lifestyle changes, to do this. Some schools/districts/cantons have a great system, others nil or nothing. There are a variety of possibilities listed here or on other threads that should work for most parents. It won't be easy and nearly impossible to do from abroad, but you will find a solution. And it for sure will not come without a price tag, probably sticker shock to most. So be sure to budget accordingly, rethink priorities, or even the move if need be.

Living near a border region to France here, there are many that move over the border to France when having young children as the early childcare and schooling is generally easier on working parents from many testimonials. Thus, what works or available in one country, can be vastly different next door.

From the post at the top and the title of the thread, it's Zug, so cross-border childcare in France isn't going to be practical.

Zug is pretty geared up for childcare places so the 2.5 year old should find a spot without too much difficulty.

The 5 year old is Kindergarten age so will likely be placed in the one nearest home, which, knowing Zug, is also likely to have a lunchtime / after-school care facility (Hort or Tagesmutter) within easy reach.
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to "import" a human being is quite simply derogatory and repulsive, especially as we can see the profile of the OP, they should really know better.


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Plus she did put «import» in inverted commas so she knew it wasn’t the correct term to use.
This.

If you just needed to vent, I hope you feel better now.


Out of curiosity and because my CPE is due soon. What would be a better term? "Taking the nanny with us" doesn't sound right either. "Offering the nanny to accompany us if possible"?
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Out of curiosity and because my CPE is due soon. What would be a better term? "Taking the nanny with us" doesn't sound right either. "Offering the nanny to accompany us if possible"?
We're intending to continue the engagement of our most excellent nanny as we move our affairs to Switzerland.



Although that sounds a bit posh.
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Although that sounds a bit posh.
It seems like Posh is exactly what's needed.
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This.

If you just needed to vent, I hope you feel better now.


Out of curiosity and because my CPE is due soon. What would be a better term? "Taking the nanny with us" doesn't sound right either. "Offering the nanny to accompany us if possible"?
Bringing the nanny here/along. It could have been avoided. IMHO

The intention is clear but it does sound as if it was written by an entitled....person. I don't know OP, maybe he's not. I hope he does appreciate he's in the position to hire the nanny and not the other way around.

Btw. He can hire a nanny here, although her net salary would be about 4k-5k per month and she most probably won't live with OP.

I'm not sure if domestic workers are subjected to quotas, so the nanny he used to have might be actually an option too. He must dig for info.

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