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The difference is that CH wants to be seen as running just fine, nothing to see here, carry on, our banks are open for business.. There's chaos all over the markets but CH is fine, keep investing.

So it makes perfect sense to keep the numbers low here.
I would guess there is definately some active lobby to keep the CH economy ticking over as poor old Luca from the Ticino Chamber of Commerce indicates in this report. He is worried about all his member's businesses going t!ts up when the frontaliers can't turn up for work.

And why only impose checks on the frontalier's work permits? Surely better (and safer for the border guard) to scan them for high temperatures first *then* check their work permits.
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:21
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I'd expect, with the incubation period and the expotential growth rates, we have over 2000 current infections and upto 5000.

So Switzerland has lost the battle as well. There is actually nothing that can be done apart from slow the spread down.
But even with extreme measures, it's going to decimate the vulnerable, whether that be elderly, smokers, diabetics etc.
No government can put a cap on this unless they go full blown 'China'.


Italy is toast financially.
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CH has already stated that it will not test people with low level symptoms, people are advised not to go to the doctors with low level symptoms, self isolate, call help lines etc..

Numbers will thus stay very low here.. Countries doing most testing have the highest numbers..

Sure the virus is probably everywhere already but Italy's economy might be toast because the tested so much and report such high numbers .. Whereas CH will report low numbers and life/economy carries on like normal.

If the number of deaths stays fairly low here and contained in the already vulnerable and doesn't cross into the self isolators and the virus declines in the hotter weather .. Result.

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Old 10.03.2020, 09:26
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Sure the virus is probably everywhere already but Italy's economy might be toast because the tested so much and report such high numbers .. Whereas CH will report low numbers and life/economy carries on like normal.

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Well most deaths will be the economically inactive, so the economy can keep going for the most part.

If the UK take this attitude, they are monsters.
If it's the Swiss, then they are pragmatic.
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:30
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Calcimagon-D? I have an unopened box, need to check it is not out of date but you are welcome to it.
Thanks, Kittster, very kind of you to offer.

I looks like it might have just been my local Apotheke - there seems to be supplies in others. Perhaps this was a blip caused by a bit of panic with people buying more than usual. The sun is something of a rarity here on the Dark Side, so there are probably a lot of people locally taking Vit D this time of year.

But it does give one pause for thought before 'hamstering'...
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:31
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Wow .. The price of oil..

Couple of hundred chf cheaper for 1000l of heating oil than I paid a few months ago ..

Time to fill your tanks and spend the saving on pasta, toilet roll and hand cleaner.
Price has gone up again today.

I ordered my oil yesterday after seeing your post.

Thanks for the tip!
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Price has gone up again today.

I ordered my oil yesterday after seeing your post.

Thanks for the tip!
Crap .. I set an alert for another few cents drop ..
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:36
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CH has already stated that it will not test people with low level symptoms, people are advised not to go to the doctors with low level symptoms, self isolate, call help lines etc..

Numbers will thus stay very low here.. Countries doing most testing have the highest numbers..
Actually Switzerland is not so far behind Italy.

CH - 1,850 tests, 8 million population
I - 23,345 tests for 60 million

Roughly 60% of the Italian rate. Given the for now lower incidence here and later arrival seems reasonable.

Italy has a 40% positive test ratio, Switzerland 20%. So actually seems Switzerland is testing MORE suspect cases than Italy.

All figures from worldometers.
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Actually Switzerland is not so far behind Italy.

CH - 1,850 tests, 8 million population
I - 23,345 tests for 60 million

Roughly 60% of the Italian rate. Given the for now lower incidence here and later arrival seems reasonable.

Italy has a 40% positive test ratio, Switzerland 20%. So actually seems Switzerland is testing MORE suspect cases than Italy.

All figures from worldometers.
Those numbers from amount of tests are old and already named on the 2nd of March, Switzerland after that reduced the group of people that would be tested, Italy only started testing more people. And your positive rates are way to high since you calculate with todays amounts of positive people and more than a weeks old test number.
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Actually Switzerland is not so far behind Italy.

CH - 1,850 tests, 8 million population
I - 23,345 tests for 60 million

Roughly 60% of the Italian rate. Given the for now lower incidence here and later arrival seems reasonable.

Italy has a 40% positive test ratio, Switzerland 20%. So actually seems Switzerland is testing MORE suspect cases than Italy.

All figures from worldometers.
It is natural that Switzerland has lower transmission rates than elsewhere, I would describe Italy as an affectionate nation and Switzerland not. This is the upside of the personal boundaries which is the cultural norm here, now we don't kiss or shake hands everyone is happy! The pragmatic Swiss have probably had planning in place since the black plague in 1348, at least they haven't resort to burning people like last time!
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This is the upside of the personal boundaries which is the cultural norm here,

This must be some parallel Swiss universe that I haven't experienced yet.
Have you not seen them queueing?
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Old 10.03.2020, 10:23
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On what do you base these assertions? Do you have some stats to show that "most people" don't produce enough vit D in winter? I think the general rule is that exposing just the face or hands to the sun for 20 to 30 minutes two or three times a week is all that's needed, for most people.

And no, taking supplements if you're within the recommended range is not "a good idea". If you think you're suffering from low levels then get checked out by your doctor and take supplements if recommended, otherwise it's just a waste of money, time and resources.
in winter, the angle of the sun against the atmosphere means that the UVB light is absorbed /scattered and so you don't get enough on your skin to produce sufficient vit D. in the UK you can rule out about 6 months of winter as a source of solar vitamin d production.
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This must be some parallel Swiss universe that I haven't experienced yet.
Have you not seen them queueing?
I have never seen the Swiss queuing .. Do you use public transport?
The old, sick or infirm are pushed out of the way in the battle for the train door..

But sure, there's also no concept of personal space in the real CH..
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Old 10.03.2020, 10:35
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Those numbers from amount of tests are old and already named on the 2nd of March, Switzerland after that reduced the group of people that would be tested, Italy only started testing more people. And your positive rates are way to high since you calculate with todays amounts of positive people and more than a weeks old test number.
Sh1...didn't notice. I'll keep an eye out for new numbers....
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I have never seen the Swiss queuing .. Do you use public transport?
The old, sick or infirm are pushed out of the way in the battle for the train door..

But sure, there's also no concept of personal space in the real CH..

People do leave some space. It's one of the perks of being a brownish ausländer
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He's not exactly a younster

hell, no - but he is very fit, and so active in so many ways, with a very very bright mind. He is certainly not ready to be 'sacrificed' - neither is my OH who will be 74 next week. So figures and numbers are just that- figures. Just entered my 70th year- and I sure ain't ready to pop my clogs.

Just made decision not to go to Loèche/leukerbad for his bd- just not worth it- and may cancel my trip to UK the week after- see how it goes.

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Some weird news on the Swiss front: apparently quarantines are being reduced from at least 14 to at least 10 days for the possibly infected and down to at least 5 days for the people they live with. Is this the business lobby trying to keep people working?

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Les quarantaines en Suisse seront plus courtes

Les quarantaines liées au coronavirus seront plus courtes et toucheront moins de monde. Les personnes infectées devront rester en isolement dix jours au minimum et seuls leurs contacts très proches seront mis en quarantaine pendant au moins cinq jours.

La forte propagation du coronavirus a poussé l'Office fédéral de la santé publique (OFSP) à changer dès lundi les règles de quarantaine. Seules les personnes particulièrement vulnérables ou devant être hospitalisées et le personnel des établissements médicaux seront testés, a indiqué Virginie Masserey, cheffe de la section Contrôle de l'infection de l'OFSP à Keystone-ATS.

Les personnes, ne présentant que de faibles symptômes et pas de risque particulier, ne seront quant à elles pas testées. «Nous en appelons à l'autoresponsabilité», a expliqué Virginie Masserey. «Un jeune bien portant par exemple doit se mettre lui-même en isolement. Il devra y rester jusqu'à un jour après la fin des symptômes et avertir son entourage», a-t-elle poursuivi.
Tessin just banned visiting people in hospitals and nursing homes.

Also the press are getting a bit giddy at the prospect of Trump being infected, because of there having been a positive case at CPAC and having contaminated someone who travelled on Air Force One.

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Also the press are getting a bit giddy at the prospect of Trump being infected, because of there having been a positive case at CPAC and having contaminted someone who travelled on Air Force One.
Press should just calm down some, Trump has been near people who have been near people whom later tested positive.

As for the person on Air Force One, that is Matt Gaetz and no test results have been published yet (announced that results might return sometime today), Matt has not shown signs and only has been in the close vicinity of somebody whom later tested positive.

Americans simply doing what Americans do best.. Drama.
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Italy to suspend mortgage payments.

https://www.ft.com/content/ef346537-...3-536d89f42514
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Twitter disclaimers apply. It would explain the full quarantine though and shows the Italian situation in a different light than I’ve seen elsewhere.

https://threader.app/thread/1237142891077697538


Does anyone have any Italian contacts that can validate this? I have another account which is similar, but am not cleared to post due to personal information. I also have some former colleagues involved with medical research in Milan that I will check with. Since I hadn’t heard from them in a disaster context, I figured things were not so bad.
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I did see and old Swiss bloke buying 400 cigarettes this mornng.
Could not tell if that was panic buying, or just a quiet night in.
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