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In what way is Trumps ban ridiculous, but each EU country in effect doing that to its neighbours is not? (not that you literally said that obviously)


The US, the same and any country, will never deny re-entry for citzens. I'd speculate to say they will be controlled when they get there, maybe a 14 day self (or enforced ) isolation, medical etc etc.

What US precautions? These US precautions.
India is making its own citizens enter a 14 day quarantine
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:12
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Closing schools is nothing to do with keeping kids safe, they don't have any problem surviving the virus. It is about removing one method of transmission to the community at large via their parents and grandparents.
This.

I wonder when they'll do it...
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:19
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Little impact on the economy? I work in tourism, which is a massive part of the Swiss economy.... right now every man and their dog is cancelling their holidays as they don’t want to travel.
Yes very little compared to what Italy is about to face..
Same is about to happen to Spain, France, etc.. If CH is seen as the only healthy country left, it wins.

Maybe those who would have gone to Italy or Spain will now come here.

Meanwhile in reality of course there are probably tens of thousands infected here but we don't report it and keep looking attractive.
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:19
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Re: Coronavirus

What will cause society more harm? The Coronavirus itself or all the enforced bans and other precautionary measures?
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:22
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On the flip side.. If the CH strategy of carry on, nothing to see here, low testing and low numbers works.. They'll come out of this very well indeed, financially.

Little impact to the economy while our neighbors crash around us, seen as the strong and safe country of Europe, safe haven for the worlds cash... Couple of thousand dead pensioners as collateral damage.
One has to accept pile's of dead bodies in such case offc, just to hope you or I are not on one of them. Also other countries will cut us of, and perhaps while the rest of the world in time starts to pick-up again we'll just be an isolated blocked financial disaster.
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Do you really think that information that 10 people are infected in a specific town of population 10'000 is going to make a difference? There's currently 644 confirmed infected people in the whole of Switzerland.

There's a cantonal list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...in_Switzerland

If a town has 10% of people infected - then the information might be relevant.
China publish every confirmed case's movement path down to minutes, so others can check if they were in close proximity with the patient, and whether they need self quarantine and other actions to prevent infect others.

It's especially useful for public transportation, trains, buses, flights, etc and public places like supermarket, this kind of information allows people to be proactive in protecting themselves. Here you know nothing about where the patient was active, so there is nothing you can do to protect yourself, just hoping that no one near is infected, creates more fear and anxiety whenever you are in public domain.

Tracking patient movement also help the public to know what kind of protection they needed, is there a risk of getting the disease when sharing the same elevator, or the same bus? Is there a risk of taking the taxi if previous customer happened to be sick? It is come down to individual to protect themselves when the medical capacity is on edge, so yes it is relevant to have more information
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:23
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Seems like interesting evidence of lack of reading comprehension or lack of actual reading of that post which referenced the research published years ago British Lancet and the New Englsind Journal of Medicine, the two leading and most respected medical journals in the world at the time. And of course absolutely NO mention of you absurd notion of a clothes peg or sticking zinc up, as you wrote "yer bahookie". Your absurd avatar notwithstanding, are you a fool or just fooling at a time when there is a crisis?



I suggest that individuals interested in these scientifically proven methods against the common cold and flu ... actually READ and try to understand everything noted in that post.

I have discussed this with a noted Mmcrobiologist here and he found the old research interesting and told me he would have staff investigate it.
Still attention seeking, eh? As before the absence of actual verifiable links kills you case.

Anyhow, let's have a look at just one of your claims...:
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Viruses get destroyed by heat. And by fever in the body.
True they get destroyed by heat. But that heat needs to be up at ~60°. The max 39° - 40° your body is capable of is nowhere near enough.

Nice general debunking article (referenced as well) here https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51735367

Now I'm going to sit in a sauna for the next 2 months.
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:27
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What will cause society more harm? The Coronavirus itself or all the enforced bans and other precautionary measures?
If left unchecked and uncontrolled, undoubtedly COVID-19.

Without the delay controls put in place, hospitals will not be able to cope and dying people will be turned away. Doctors will inevitably make the decisions about who will live and who will die (it's going to be the elderly first) but who then?

Additionally, with the laws of probability, if left unchecked and uncontrolled, many more people will get the virus and the chance for a severe mutation will increase.

It's already mutated once according to experts and the strain in Italy is much more virulent than the original strain.
Who knows what a future mutation could bring?

I think it's going to have to be a juggling act between controlling (delaying) the spread whilst ensuring that commerce can continue in a reduced capacity.
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This.

I wonder when they'll do it...
My bet is as of Monday and to be announced today or tomorrow. Much more people are working home already. I've just been through Zürich and it really is calmer than on a normal morning around this time. I also notice on daycare that more parents stopped bringing their kids in, and where normally I see a whole bunch of parents bring the kid with the bus I now noticed less parents and they brought the kids on bike or car and hardly any of them using the bus. I'd say we're ready to close the schools and daycare centers.
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Re: Coronavirus

If US citizens are allowed to return, what about legal residents? What about close family relatives of US citizens?

Another well thought out policy change ...
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What will cause society more harm? The Coronavirus itself or all the enforced bans and other precautionary measures?
Most harm is done when both are done, first let the virus run around for some time have healthcare overrun, companies and schools close on and off due to many people being afraid or ill, and than after some time need to enforce bans even if only i't be to avoid being seen by the rest of the world as a country that deserves to be blocked.
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:32
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Most harm is done when both are done, first let the virus run around for some time have healthcare overrun, companies and schools close on and off due to many people being afraid or ill, and than after some time need to enforce bans even if only i't be to avoid being seen by the rest of the world as a country that deserves to be blocked.
Bans etc dont kill. Corona does!
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:33
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If US citizens are allowed to return, what about legal residents? What about close family relatives of US citizens?

Another well thought out policy change ...
US citizens are allowed to return under conditions and they have to face a medical check with 2 weeks quarantine in case of doubt or tested positive.
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:35
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How many people in CH are now infected or have died?
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:40
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How many people in CH are now infected or have died?
Official figures from yesterday are 645 tested positive, how this related to how many are infected is open to debate seeing as there's talk of retricted testing.
I can't find a figure as to how many are recovered.

Official figures also show 4 dead.

Normally they update around 12:00, but again they've been talking about changing the reporting, somebody explained it a few pages back.
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Old 12.03.2020, 09:45
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Official figures from yesterday are 645 tested positive, how this related to how many are infected is open to debate seeing as there's talk of retricted testing.
I can't find a figure as to how many are recovered.

Official figures also show 4 dead.

Normally they update around 12:00, but again they've been talking about changing the reporting, somebody explained it a few pages back.
If they update the numbers you can see them here:

https://twitter.com/BAG_OFSP_UFSP

They usually update each day, 10 - 15 minutes after 12:00. But we'll see if it continues.
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How many people in CH are now infected or have died?
Exact numbers are unknown as of this week, if one member of a family has it they tell the whole family to stay home, don't test the rest and report it as 1 case. New cases should not be read anymore as amount of people but as amount of new nests of infections, could be a singly guy could be half an apartment block. By now it also does not matter really anymore if the number is 600 or 900, there are thousands or likely even tens of thousands having it. All that matters now is to try to slow it down to avoid huge spikes on impact.
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If US citizens are allowed to return, what about legal residents? What about close family relatives of US citizens?
That is pretty clear from yesterday's press release:

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Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.

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Bans etc dont kill. Corona does!

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Massive...2.8% of GDP and 4% of employment


https://www.eda.admin.ch/aboutswitze...tourismus.html
That are direct numbers, what about indirect numbers? Simple two simple examples, selling the tickets for the ski-lift is touristic sector. Building and maintaining the ski-lift is industrial sector. Renting out hotel-rooms is touristic, building the hotel is building sector.
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