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Re: Coronavirus

Yacek, once many years ago, when we phoned around to doctors and hospital trying to decide what to do, one of the voice messages advised that if one couldn't reach a doctor, one should take the patient to a pharmacy. We did, and they arranged a doctor's appointment very soon, even though we had not succeeded.

I don't know whether this is appliable, now. In any case, at that time the phrarmacist seemed to have authority to assess the needs, at least to some extent, and then to Get That Priority Doctor's Appointment.
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Old 15.03.2020, 06:48
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Some, maybe. Some are paranoid about what their body excretes, which need not be so.
The number of times I've been camping and only had leaves to deal with that side of things, I'm a hell of a long way from being paranoid about such matters. However, when it comes to dealing with a pathogen (which I specified), that's a whole different ball game.

My family and I spent 4 days and nights in a hospital isolation room with my mum after she contracted Clostridium Difficile, because the antibiotics she'd been on to treat her pneumonia had reduced the 'good bacteria' in her gut and made her vulnerable. C. difficile causes high volume, highly contagious diarrhea which can sometimes lead to sepsis in vulnerable patients, as it did with my mum. We had to scrub down and put on gloves, and hair covers upon entering the room. We were instructed to get undressed the moment we got home (i.e. don't walk through the house and get undressed in the bedroom), put our clothes on a boil wash and shower immediately. The next wash on machine had to be an empty boil wash with bleach to disinfect it before washing any other clothing. We were also told to 'social distance', specifically, don't go to work, don't socialise, and keep well away from babies, children, pregnant women, sick and elderly people.

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In elderly people homes they have two cloths of different colours-one for body and one for intim. They are washed separately at 95 degrees. But can you imagine in a private home that someone has to do a 95 degrees wash every day for a few dirty cloths. And many people share a washing maschine.
Exactly.
A bout of C. Difficile in a care home would be have the potential to be catastrophic.
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Old 15.03.2020, 07:05
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So my child has a high fever and is coughing. It all develops on Friday evening.
Call the usual pediatrician - nobody answers until the closing time.
Call the médecin de garde hotline:
- on Friday nobody answers (waiting for an hour)
- on Saturday there is a message about a call overload and it disconnects.

Calling a hospital:
- please call the médecin de garde hotline.
Once the hotline turned out too busy:
- don't come, unless there are "respiratory distress" symptoms.

I wish the authorities could request (some) of the cabinets to extend their working days in these times.
Otherwise how long am I supposed to wait with a child to check if it is "just" a flu or maybe as it happens there might be already issues with ears or something else requiring antibiotics?
Yacek, call VidyMed. They’ve recently opened an «urgence pédiatrique»
https://www.vidymed.ch/
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Old 15.03.2020, 07:06
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Before all this virus thing happened I always had this little prayer. I wanted these jet trails in the sky to dissappear so that I could enjoy the sunny weather. I thought to myself something must happen to reduce the number of jets streaking across the sky . And now its happened. My prayer is answered. Halleluja!
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Old 15.03.2020, 07:09
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So my child has a high fever and is coughing. It all develops on Friday evening.
Call the usual pediatrician - nobody answers until the closing time.
Call the médecin de garde hotline:
- on Friday nobody answers (waiting for an hour)
- on Saturday there is a message about a call overload and it disconnects.

Calling a hospital:
- please call the médecin de garde hotline.
Once the hotline turned out too busy:
- don't come, unless there are "respiratory distress" symptoms.

I wish the authorities could request (some) of the cabinets to extend their working days in these times.
Otherwise how long am I supposed to wait with a child to check if it is "just" a flu or maybe as it happens there might be already issues with ears or something else requiring antibiotics?
You could take him direct to the hospital
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Old 15.03.2020, 07:10
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Maybe try calling first, or check the stock online? I don't mean to criticize you, but we all need to take 'social distancing' seriously and stay at home whenever possible.

That said, i just made what i hope to be my last big shop. I was trying to weigh the risk of exposure today vs the risk of exposure in the future, along with potential rising food prices, broken supply chains, and the fact that the pandemic is only just beginning and we could have a rough 6 months ahead of us. So i decided to take the risk.
It's a peculiar thought process to go through, isn't it....

A friend in Slovenia posted photos of the queue at her local supermarket on Friday, which was really long because everyone was standing 2 meters apart. They were only allowing 10 people at a time into the supermarket and the shelves were being refilled between each group of 10. I think the optic of that would be reassuring if time consuming.
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Old 15.03.2020, 07:18
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I'm not convinced on this principle.. I get that testing everybody doesn't stop the spread of the virus, it doesn't' save the old people etc..

But while CH is reporting numbers like 1400 infected and 10 dead, people are just not taking it seriously .. Life is going on as normal with the minor inconvenience of some things closed.. Kids are out of school but people are now arranging gatherings of school kids for baby sittings, shopping, errands etc ..

The point here is isolation .. stay apart, keep distance, avoid people..

While CH is reporting low numbers people think there is no issue.. But there kinda is a problem here..
Be realistic. Some people ( alot ) have to go to work and travel on the public transport ( 2 class is full,1 class empty) and they have to sit and relate to fellow workers etc etc.
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Old 15.03.2020, 07:50
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So my child has a high fever and is coughing. It all develops on Friday evening.
Call the usual pediatrician - nobody answers until the closing time.
Call the médecin de garde hotline:
- on Friday nobody answers (waiting for an hour)
- on Saturday there is a message about a call overload and it disconnects.

Calling a hospital:
- please call the médecin de garde hotline.
Once the hotline turned out too busy:
- don't come, unless there are "respiratory distress" symptoms.
Surely that's the answer you need?

Look after the child at home unless they start having trouble breathing (shortness of breath, for example).
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Old 15.03.2020, 08:17
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You could take him direct to the hospital
No! That’s exactly what must be avoided at all cost! Contaminating everybody in a tight waiting room is the worse that could happen.

OP, avoid anti inflammatory like 8buprofen at all cost. It has been shown to increase severe symptoms in young people. The French Healh Minister issued a warning about it.
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Old 15.03.2020, 08:30
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Unless you are in the vulnerable group, why shouldn't you continue as normal? Wearing a mask, gloves googles won't help you unless when you return home and go into a decontamination shower.

The only thing to stop this decease is to stay quarantined and not go out. It's really important for those that are vulnerable. The rest will either not catch it, survive it without much symptoms or have the flu for few days.

They have stopped kids from going to schools - so kids will be out in parks. They can't stay home.

Who should stay home are the vulnerable groups and not go out. I was out by the lake this morning and all the geezers are out as if it is the first day of spring.
Back home kids parks are empty. They -parents- were advised to stay home and get out only if they have their own garden etc.

Kids too can develop bad cases of pneumonia, unfortunately. And....we don't have that many kids to begin with....protect the elderly but protect the future too.
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Old 15.03.2020, 09:19
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Re: Coronavirus

Does anyone have any info on what the government is planning to do to help people with their salaries? I know the promised money for “Kurzarbeit” ... but that is normally only available to people on permanent contracts. Anything planned to help those of us on zero hours contracts, the self-employed, short term contracts etc etc?
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Does anyone have any info on what the government is planning to do to help people with their salaries? I know the promised money for “Kurzarbeit” ... but that is normally only available to people on permanent contracts. Anything planned to help those of us on zero hours contracts, the self-employed, short term contracts etc etc?
Yes we both work but with the kids home now neither of our employers have said they will let us stop working, there is no childcare, so how will it work ?
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Yes we both work but with the kids home now neither of our employers have said they will let us stop working, there is no childcare, so how will it work ?
the schools are intending to make a kita in such cases. Ask the school.
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Back home kids parks are empty. They -parents- were advised to stay home and get out only if they have their own garden etc.

Kids too can develop bad cases of pneumonia, unfortunately. And....we don't have that many kids to begin with....protect the elderly but protect the future too.
whats back home?
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What’s a kita?
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Yacek, call VidyMed. They’ve recently opened an «urgence pédiatrique»
https://www.vidymed.ch/
This is the best choice. Call in advance and you will not wait when you arrive, at least not a lot.

Much better than to go to Hôpital de l'enfance in Prilly
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The Vth Hospital Battalion was mobilised this weekend, so something is beginning in this direction. Of course the Swiss army could be tasked with doing the testing, their NBC kit is perfectly up to the task. The problem is the political will to use it, and the fact that it means calling up reservists, which will raise leftwing hackles as well as those of the business lobby.
Ignore the leftwingers. They always lack the will, backbone and common sense to do what is necessary.
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I've been reading the same from various sources and it's got me wondering about possible issues with anti-histamines as the hayfever season is almost upon us.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20200314/cor...i-flammatories

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-infection
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Kindertagesstätte. Day care for little children.
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Yes we both work but with the kids home now neither of our employers have said they will let us stop working, there is no childcare, so how will it work ?
It won't work my friend, because as schools have made classes online so every student in Vaud is home schooled for 6 weeks.

Child care is only available for hospital workers or policeman

Local kids will stay with grandpa and grandma which is worse than going to school because grandparents will be exposed

Strangers like me and you that have no immediate family here have really no option but to stay at home and work from home, which is impossible if you have kids to take care

Switzerland is beyond the tipping point, especially Vaud as there are 1300 cases in CH and more than 300 in Vaud. Countries with 10 cases already have closed everything and put in Marshall law in counties where the decease appeared, here in Vaud we have no information where the cases are and which areas to avoid etc. Vaud seems to be handling the crisis worse than Italy for sure.

After all of this, I expect to have marshal law or something similar activated in Vaud very soon or to quarantine everybody from exiting their homes unless for medical reasons. I fully expect a spike in new cases by a 1-2 thousand just like in Spain

So I think very soon there will be no work to worry about in Vaud
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