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Re: Coronavirus

It looks like the attitude is slowly changing here, people realizing that closing places of work/schools/shops/pubs is principally to keep the population in their homes. The vectors are people.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cne...r-lutter%3famp

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So my child has a high fever and is coughing. It all develops on Friday evening.
Call the usual pediatrician - nobody answers until the closing time.
Call the médecin de garde hotline:
- on Friday nobody answers (waiting for an hour)
- on Saturday there is a message about a call overload and it disconnects.

Calling a hospital:
- please call the médecin de garde hotline.
Once the hotline turned out too busy:
- don't come, unless there are "respiratory distress" symptoms.

I wish the authorities could request (some) of the cabinets to extend their working days in these times.
Otherwise how long am I supposed to wait with a child to check if it is "just" a flu or maybe as it happens there might be already issues with ears or something else requiring antibiotics?

Do what you normally do with your kid if it has a fever, if it stays for some days without disappearing call your own local paediatrician. And use ibuprofen/Paracetamol to keep the temperature under 40. (nothing wrong with staying on 38/39 for some time. And that whole Iburofen made these kids even worse story has been debunked)

If your kid would develop breathing problems or other serious symptoms you call the hospital and they tell you what to do.

Some things:

- Never go spontaneously to doctors, hospitals or whatever anymore, always call.
- There are still 3 flu types going around also.
- Young children have a very small change of being seriously effected by the Corona disease.
- Avoid as much social contacts as possible.

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Re: Coronavirus

While Vaud hasn't (YET) closed all the restaurants they have imposed a 22h00 closing time. We were in a place in Gingins last night and the police showed up just after that and informed the patron she was breaking the law ...

We have been struggling to think of why an early closing time is a good thing.

Having two sittings (19-20:30; 20:30-22) would allow them keep in business while only serving 50 guests at a time.

I'm sure there is a very good reason, we just can't think of what it can be.
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Maybe UK just needs to watch other states, to get gradually used to the idea of "unprecedented measures"?

FT (March 14) about UK scientists challenging what the gov considers the "herd immunity" route.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....d-da70cff6e4d3
Speaking of "unprecedented"...I just remembered we stayed home after Chernobyl (when govs found out about it and when it was too late and rather useless anyway...) for how long, one week, two weeks, more? I don't remember exactly because I was still small, but vaguely remember though the boredom and what it seemed like a very long time of not being allowed to play with my friends outside in the sun.
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Old 15.03.2020, 12:44
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Do what you normally do with your kid if it has a fever, if it stays for some days without disappearing call your own local paediatrician. And use ibuprofen to keep the temperature under 40. (nothing wrong with staying on 38/39 for some time. And that whole Iburofen made these kids even worse story has been debunked)
French Secretary of Health didn't think so - French national news informed last night that he warns against Ibuprophene (based on the latest FR and IT experiences).
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Old 15.03.2020, 12:45
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Re: Coronavirus

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Do what you normally do with your kid if it has a fever, if it stays for some days without disappearing call your own local paediatrician. And use ibuprofen to keep the temperature under 40. (nothing wrong with staying on 38/39 for some time. And that whole Iburofen made these kids even worse story has been debunked)

If your kid would develop breathing problems or other serious symptoms you call the hospital and they tell you what to do.

Some things:

- Never go spontaneously to doctors, hospitals or whatever anymore, always call.
- There are still 3 flu types going around also.
- Young children have a very small change of being seriously effected by the Corona disease.
- Avoid as much social contacts as possible.
Maybe better with parecetemol than ibuprofen .. Just in case..
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Old 15.03.2020, 12:47
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Do what you normally do with your kid if it has a fever, if it stays for some days without disappearing call your own local paediatrician. And use ibuprofen to keep the temperature under 40. (nothing wrong with staying on 38/39 for some time. And that whole Iburofen made these kids even worse story has been debunked)

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French Secretary of Health didn't think so - French national news informed last night that he warns against Ibuprophene (based on the latest FR and IT experiences).

Yup, don't take Ibuprofen, it sounds like a really bad idea.
See the links below:


https://www.archyde.com/against-covi...ake-ibuprofen/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-infection
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French Secretary of Health didn't think so - French national news informed last night that he warns against Ibuprophene (based on the latest FR and IT experiences).
Many people warn these days for things while they do not give any proof, or of which it has been proven to be wrong already. There simply is no official research supporting this opinion.

Last week, the Dutch government still officially spread the news that you are only infectious if you show symptoms to name another bull-shit official point of view.
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Have you got a link?
https://volksblatt.at/meduni-wien-we...-zu-ibuprofen/
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Not true. Particularly if there isn't an obvious reason for the elevated temp such as runny nose, inflamed throat etc.
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Old 15.03.2020, 13:03
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Re: Coronavirus

They had a doctor from a French hospital on news ladt night who supported those experiences with younger covid19 intubated patients. You can wait for the research and I'd undestand, but this seems really the latest news.
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Old 15.03.2020, 13:04
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No matter the cause, those temperatures itself for some time will not hurt or damage your kid.
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Old 15.03.2020, 13:06
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Yup, don't take Ibuprofen, it sounds like a really bad idea.
See the links below:


https://www.archyde.com/against-covi...ake-ibuprofen/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-infection
Looks like the original warning was probably fake to the extent that it originated from Wien (it didn't). BUT at the same time seems that there might be something in it. See

https://www.pharmazeutische-zeitung....e-news-116246/

(this would also help explain the apparent negative connection with blood pressure medication btw)

Personally I would avoid Ibuprofen right now. Just in case and as there is a decent alternative in paracetamol.
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They had a doctor from a French hospital on news ladt night who supported those experiences with younger covid19 intubated patients. You can wait for the research and I'd undestand, but this seems really the latest news.
Don't you think that if this was true that we would advise against ibuprofen during having the flu or other diseases that show the same symptoms since decades? But up to know there is zero scientifically evidence that ibuprofen does what some sources say it does, and it looks like many people are saying so, but actually it is a large group repeating the words of only a few.

But for those who doubt just give Paracetamol, it will do the trick also.
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While Vaud hasn't (YET) closed all the restaurants they have imposed a 22h00 closing time. We were in a place in Gingins last night and the police showed up just after that and informed the patron she was breaking the law ...

We have been struggling to think of why an early closing time is a good thing.

Having two sittings (19-20:30; 20:30-22) would allow them keep in business while only serving 50 guests at a time.

I'm sure there is a very good reason, we just can't think of what it can be.
The reason will probably be the same one that other countries have just shut all the bars/restos/cafes completely. Some quickly arranged to organize take away/uber meal distribution but that may be banned soon too.
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Nothing wrong with it? Well, that's quite subjective, but in general a high temperature is in itself both uncomfortable and potentially dangerous (i.e. it's already high, so a further spike will raise it to dangerous levels).

But anyway there's no logic in taking ibuprofen for fever, when paracetamol is a much more effective antipyretic.
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I've been reading the same from various sources and it's got me wondering about possible issues with anti-histamines as the hayfever season is almost upon us.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20200314/cor...i-flammatories
Anti histamines have a different mechanism to ibuprofen and other NSAIDs. So probably not a problem.
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Yup, don't take Ibuprofen, it sounds like a really bad idea.
ACE inhibitors for high blood pressure are fun too. Suggested mechanism is ACE inhibitors stimulate ACE2 receptors... which is how Covid-19 gets into humans.
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Nothing wrong with it? Well, that's quite subjective, but in general a high temperature is in itself both uncomfortable and potentially dangerous (i.e. it's already high, so a further spike will raise it to dangerous levels).
No it is not subjective, a higher temperature is the natural response and helps the body in doing what it should do. The cause of the high temperature is what can causes the dangers, not the 38/39 itself. And I said already that one should start suppressing it when getting on 40. If we have 38.5 we do not take paracetamol or whatever to help fight the disease, we take it to feel more comfortable.
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Re: Coronavirus

Well, just made my usual bi- monthly on-line order from Coop delivery (I live on the 4th floor without lift, so like to order the heavy stuff on-line every couple of months).

First of all noted than none of my usual brands are available. No not available, not even listed on the Coop site. So I can only order Coop rice rather than my always cooked right Uncle Bens . Usually, if something is out-of-stock then it is still listed, but grayed out as unavailable. Many, many other products like Hakle etc. as well.

In WW2 it was referred to as rationing

On the plus side, found a way to walk-up to my daily power walking spot, as it‘s impossible to retain social distancing in the Seilbahn. Now have a new work-out, which will affect all sorts of different muscles . If I carry-on doing this every day, I will either have a heart attack or become super-fit . I now know why they made a Seilbahn to get up there .

Oh, forgot to say - and here an edit: The delivery time from the Coop is usually next-day. First available delivery time in this case was 23 March. Also, the site is almost at collapse point - takes forever to refresh, and the order confirmation instead of the usual immediate response time took about 2 minutes.

Just sayin‘

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