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Old 15.03.2020, 18:06
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Re: Coronavirus

I have slightly conflicting information from the UK.
One friend flew back for a reunion on Friday, went to his local 'spoons, and said it was packed.
Other friend, a finance director for a London centric bar, sports bar and restaurant chain, said they will lay off 75% of the staff by next Friday.
He said they appreciate the animosity it will cause, but it's that or bankrupt the company.
Not a time to be in hospitatlity.
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Does anyone have any info on what the government is planning to do to help people with their salaries? I know the promised money for “Kurzarbeit” ... but that is normally only available to people on permanent contracts. Anything planned to help those of us on zero hours contracts, the self-employed, short term contracts etc etc?
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Other friend, a finance director for a London centric bar, sports bar and restaurant chain, said they will lay off 75% of the staff by next Friday.
He said they appreciate the animosity it will cause, but it's that or bankrupt the company.
Not a time to be in hospitatlity.
Yes, this is a serious problem here in Switzerland, too. Many people work "on call" at an hourly rate or a flat fee per shift, in the hospitality industry, but also as cleaners, childminders, shop-assistants, midwives and even nurses doing home visits. The next less-worse employment is (depending how one looks at it) a guaranteed wage, but a limited duration contract.

Both those categories don't even need to be officially dismissed: they just don't get called in for any shifts at all, or their contract comes to its end.

The former group is left with no income, and that's that, while the latter group can at least claim unemployment benefits for those hours... if their employers had correctly paid in their contributions.

At the other end of the scale are professionals who earn only if they have clients. As bookings are down, some try to retain their income by switching to skype appointments, if possible.

While some doctors such as GPs are working harder than ever, one specialist said that her patients are cancelling many appointments, leaving her suddenly with a fraction of her usual income. Fortunately she, unlike many cleaners and shop-assistants, has some savings.

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Old 15.03.2020, 18:43
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Re: Coronavirus

Could be they are mixing up Sweden and Switzerland...... Sweden is doing nada to control the virus. It apparently has to do with equality. Which makes sense from a country with feministic snow cleaning.



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Switzerland and UK being called out here.

"The U.K. and Switzerland are effectively not trying to combat the coronavirus and cases there are likely to surge in the coming weeks, a Singapore minister said." https://www.bloomberg.com/

I think it's a bit harsh, i think Switzerland has done more than UK IMO...but maybe more can be done?

Also we have been issued new border restrictions for flights too:
People who enter Singapore with recent travel history to ASEAN countries, Japan, Switzerland or the United Kingdom will be issued with a 14-day stay-home notice.https://www.channelnewsasia.com/

And Singapore will block entry or transit for visitors with travel history to Italy, France, Spain and Germany within the last 14 days, amid a surge of COVID-19 cases in Europe.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/


I have two friends who are affected by this, one coming back from UK and the other from Switzerland, and when they say stay at home notice - it is in essence a quarantine where you cannot leave your residence at all.
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Could be they are mixing up Sweden and Switzerland...... Sweden is doing nada to control the virus. It apparently has to do with equality. Which makes sense from a country with feministic snow cleaning.
I don't think that's the kind of mistake a Singaporean would make.
Switzerland has one of the highest infection rates per capita so it seems relatively relaxed considering.
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Could be they are mixing up Sweden and Switzerland...... Sweden is doing nada to control the virus. It apparently has to do with equality. Which makes sense from a country with feministic snow cleaning.
Given on amount of the tested and proven infection penetration in the population we're actually very late with a lot of things.

Stores, bars, restaurants are all still open around here in Zürich. We still allow people way to many contact moments and since a percentage of the population seems to care shit about corona it is the government who should put more and tougher restrictions. We are still very re-active and waiting for numbers to go up the implement yet another restriction, this is stupid since it is a guarantee that the numbers go up.
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Old 15.03.2020, 19:12
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Food for thought: Apparently, Appenzell Innerhoden is the only Canton without a confirmed Corona case.

Next on Blick headline: Rental cars help boost immune system
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Old 15.03.2020, 19:13
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Re: Coronavirus

Husband suggesting we may need to get food delivered at some point if this keeps up. Looked at Migros' Le Shop and there's an hour's queue to place an order with the earliest delivery on Thursday, 26th March.

Who else does online ordering and delivery just in case it's needed? Can't see that Coop do it and don't know of any other supermarkets that do.
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Re: Coronavirus

How were the churches this morning? Did they restrict numbers of the congregation? Have weddings and funerals been told to keep below 100?
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I don't think that's the kind of mistake a Singaporean would make.
Switzerland has one of the highest infection rates per capita so it seems relatively relaxed considering.
I don’t take much stock in statistics since many cases go unreported. If anything, Switzerland’s statistics show how efficient the health system is here
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Husband suggesting we may need to get food delivered at some point if this keeps up. Looked at Migros' Le Shop and there's an hour's queue to place an order with the earliest delivery on Thursday, 26th March.

Who else does online ordering and delivery just in case it's needed? Can't see that Coop do it and don't know of any other supermarkets that do.
Time to switch to your smaller local shops and independent fruit, veg, butchers, bakers... we have 2 local mini markets and 1 butcher offering free home deliveries to anyone affected.
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Husband suggesting we may need to get food delivered at some point if this keeps up. Looked at Migros' Le Shop and there's an hour's queue to place an order with the earliest delivery on Thursday, 26th March.

Who else does online ordering and delivery just in case it's needed? Can't see that Coop do it and don't know of any other supermarkets that do.
Physical supermarkets will remain open. Large enough amount of the population is so little no not effected that we can keep all basic needs running.

Delivery is at this moment simply lacking manpower.

If you need a car and don't have one but are in need of things, best to ask a neighbour to do some shopping tomorrow morning.

Skipping supermarkets and start supporting your local stores also helps to keep supplies going in your neighbourhood, I've seen supermarkets having run out of a lot of things, and the Turkish store 20o meters away hardly had a customer and all shelfs stocked.
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Re: Coronavirus

From my observation, after they announced the country-wide school shutdown, I've noticed a lot of people being on edge. It really started to sink in and a large number of people were rushing stores for supplies. I'm thinking 3-4 weeks down the line, when manure really hits the fan and we've got full-blown Corona ravaging through Switzerland. The entire country will be on a strict lock-down, only a few stores will be open and gas-stations will most likely be closed as well. The gas issue came to mind last week, because my Mod-Mobile is on the thirstier side of a Prius, hence I made use of the current situation and secured me some cheap gas.
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As long as the Swiss government doesn't impose adequate measures, we're basically sitting in a ticking time-bomb. The 800 newly infected is just the tip of the iceberg and I suspect that we'll peak some time by the end of April, all a little too late IMO.
Yes, but it is still weird to say that Switzerland is doing nothing to contain the virus from spreading, when in fact is doing much more than a lot of Europe. The shutdown should come and it will come.
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Yes, but it is still weird to say that Switzerland is doing nothing to contain the virus from spreading, when in fact is doing much more than a lot of Europe. The shutdown should come and it will come.
We actually do a lot less than a lot of Europe.
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Neuchâtel and Jura now closing restaurants and all non essential shops.
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Yes, but it is still weird to say that Switzerland is doing nothing to contain the virus from spreading, when in fact is doing much more than a lot of Europe. The shutdown should come and it will come.
Well, by doing nothing I mean they should have closed the borders long time ago and limit people's movement. Edelweiss is still flying to Italy; there was an article in an online paper reporting how party-goers were disappointed by the 50 people per venue limit. There is a whole lot of complaining going on about the restrictions imposed and a good portion of the people chose to disregard common sense and proceed with business as usual. Luxury goods stores are open, while people are bum-rushing stores in order to get their hands on the last few items. That's what I mean by doing nothing, they should have implemented a more drastic approach a month ago.
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Husband suggesting we may need to get food delivered at some point if this keeps up. Looked at Migros' Le Shop and there's an hour's queue to place an order with the earliest delivery on Thursday, 26th March.

Who else does online ordering and delivery just in case it's needed? Can't see that Coop do it and don't know of any other supermarkets that do.
This is for you Medea: yes, coop does do home deliveries, at coopathome.


And here's a general list for anyone needing shopping, or thinking of helping someone else.
Tips on how to shop for food and some non-food
  1. The following sites are for online grocery shopping:
    www.leshop.ch (Migros products plus more)
    www.coopathome.ch (Coop)
    www.farmy.ch (trying to sell local and regional)

    Whereas ordinarily leshop and coopathome can deliver within a day or two, currently one may have waiting times of about 10 minutes to get a slot in the queue to order, with a delivery date about a week or ten days’ away.

    People who do not have the knowledge - or health! - to transact online, can be helped with a phonecall from someone willing to place the order on their behalf. This might be your friend who lives abroad, who could order for you.
    Check that the bill is in the right person's name.

  2. If you are well enough to leave your home, and allowed to, it can be worth walking to the local small shop, telling them your needs, and offering to pay a small delivery fee, and if you could phone and place an order.

  3. Ask for help from a neighbour.

  4. Ask for help from a local volunteer group, of which there are many. Some of those are registered here: https://www.hilf-jetzt.ch/.
    If you know of any volunteer group, you might consider checking whether they are already on that list and, if not, recommending that they register there, too.

  5. Specifically for Zurich, there’s a new group to connect volunteers and those in need of help, because of Corona:
    http://soli.junge-kirche.ch/

Anyone else got further tips, that we could add to a list?
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One other thing: check out if you can help neighbours! If you go shopping, take things for elderly neighbours as well
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Re: Coronavirus

BBC.com, just now:

Two men enjoy lunch at a cafe in SwitzerlandBBCCopyright: BBC
Every day around noon, the Swiss government releases the latest coronavirus figures.

People check them, hoping for a decline. Today the numbers are a shock: 2,200, a rise of 800 in just 24 hours.

For everyone here, life has changed. Parents are desperately looking for childcare following Friday’s announcement that schools will close from Monday. Thousands of families who booked Easter holidays abroad must cancel: there are few countries the Swiss can travel to at the moment.

But on this sunny weekend, people are out and about. Restaurants are limited to 50 people, but business is quite brisk.

Tables are two metres apart, they are disinfected regularly.

One elderly lady, carefully washing her hands after enjoying a hot chocolate, says she knows it’s important to follow the rules. But, she adds: "I won’t stop social contact." And yet that is exactly what the government wants her to do.

Meanwhile a waitress whispers that she doesn’t think the restaurant will stay open much longer. She’s worried for her job. In canton Ticino, and in Basel, the restaurants are already closed.
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One other thing: check out if you can help neighbours! If you go shopping, take things for elderly neighbours as well
Yes. And if ordering online, one could also check whether the neighbours need an order made on their behalf. Again: check that the invoice ends up a the right place.
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