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Please accept my sincere condolences Terrifisch. What a very difficult time for you and your family.
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If catching the disease does not give you immunity then why would a vaccine?
Depends on the antibody behavior, I reckon. The point is, we don‘t know.
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Thanks for letting us know, terrifisch. Condolences, and I'm glad to hear that your family connections are good.
Hope you can take care of you, now.
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Please forgive me if this is a stupid question... But I assume that, with the lockdown in place now, kids should no longer be playing outside with a friend?
Correct, no gatherings includes kids, so break out the new video games once that home (preferably tele-) schooling is done.

In good news for francophones and anglophones alike, if the Swiss cable operators allow it, Canal+ and all its channels are now freeview for the duration. And those channels run their languages in bicanal, so tons of recent English speaking content, so enjoy!
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:03
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Please forgive me if this is a stupid question... But I assume that, with the lockdown in place now, kids should no longer be playing outside with a friend?
Explain to the kids that they must only play with the friend, and to stay away from other people. Two kids playing outside is not a gathering. Gatherings must be avoided.

On a positive note, 17°C here tomorrow, and warmer weather could be a mitigating factor. Let's hope so.

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Old 16.03.2020, 22:21
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Explain to the kids that they must only play with the friend, and to stay away from other people. Two kids playing outside is not a gathering. Gatherings must be avoided.

On a positive note, 17°C here tomorrow, and warmer weather could be a mitigating factor. Let's hope so.
But what if the kids have a dog, do the rules still apply?

I'm still waiting on the company's official line to work from home.
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:26
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I have been reading this thread daily since it nearly began and I want to thank everyone who adds real information & humor to it. It's much appreciated.

*** If I may... I would like ask a simple request or bring light an issue that is occurring now, maybe without thought. As a farmer that lives on the outskirts of town in the Zurich area, we normally have dozens of people that walk by the farm everyday on their way to the forest. The amount of people walking by the farm has swollen to now what looks like hundreds in the last several days.

Many people are stopping by the horse barn with their children, that are now out of school and thinking its a great sunny day, a nice walk and look that horsey probably wants petted, maybe even some of this food I have in my backpack too.

Although I am an animal lover myself and appreciate the nature of the idea of having the kids or adults pet the horses (which we never mind) during the current time period, its probably not a wise idea.

Many random people over the last several days are walking through the barn touching stuff, using the toilet, petting the horses, leaning all over the stalls and it's becoming a real problem.

People somehow seem to loose mind or think its acceptable once they're out of town, the sun's shining, and they're on a hike to visit the forest and look there is a farm / "petting zoo."

Yes, there are many signs posted in and around our barn that ask persons without business there to please move along, as well as a plea to please not feed the horses, as some horses can easily have have colics or food allergies.

Only request I will ever ask of the forum, is that those that read this to keep that in mind, and possibly share with friends.

If you are out of the house (which seems like half the town) and on a walk with Fido the dog or the kids and enjoying the approaching Spring weather, that please keep in mind that farms/barns and horses/other farm animals are equal opportunities just like a bar or restaurant at this point if everyone is mobbing the countryside.

Please look, enjoy, take pictures, but please keep in mind it's not responsible: to feed other’s farm animals, loiter, go into someones barn and potentially catch yourself a problem.

There are a vast amount of small farms all over Switzerland and I know with the way things are going people want to get out of the house and exercise, de-stress, take the kids on a walk, etc.

- Please keep some common respect for the farms, thank you.
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:27
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On a positive note, 17°C here tomorrow, and warmer weather could be a mitigating factor. Let's hope so.
In particular get some sun on your skin and generate some vitamin D
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:29
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But what if the kids have a dog, do the rules still apply?

I'm still waiting on the company's official line to work from home.
You must receive an Einschreiben from the Swiss president herself. Until than feel free to roam
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:30
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Correct, no gatherings includes kids, so break out the new video games once that home (preferably tele-) schooling is done.
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Explain to the kids that they must only play with the friend, and to stay away from other people. Two kids playing outside is not a gathering. Gatherings must be avoided.
Why are the KiTa's still open then?
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Re: Coronavirus

Well with Switzerland now joining Italy. France and Spain in declaring a State of Emergency, you will
no doubt be looking for some sage advise of what to do when your toilets get blocked up
( for want of proper toilet paper ) and the plumber cannot be called out due to the lockdown.

Therefore once more the UK's Protect and Survive is your friend in time of necessity on how
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:35
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Why are the KiTa's still open then?
I was wondering the same. More than one parent has posted here that the Kitas are operating as if nothing special is happening. One member said their child's kita has around 200 kids!
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:37
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How should people who are prone to anxiety or depression deal with this situation? I worry about loneliness and my finances, which have been affected directly by the virus.
I think talking to your doctor would be good, even if just for a few mins on the phone. Government is supporting the financial loss of people by putting 10bil francs aside, talking to your commune - dept. of trade/business, asking them if you qualify for subsidies and chomage could be useful, give you a feeling of getting somewhere in this current uncertainty (also, people are home now, advertize online classes, I can see forthcoming Matu candidates needing that kind of service!).

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We quarantined people in the early stages. The fact of the matter is, as soon as contagion starts happening within a community tracing and quarantine is doomed.
The situation in South Korea seems to improve, fewer cases today, they chase every case and test like maniacs, technology and perseverence on their side. Other countries have managed to slow the growth as well, by testing, isolating and measures that CH is just taking now, except they applied them earlier and in a united, centralized way.

I think every slower week counts, to prep or even manufacture ventilators and extra beds.

Thanks, Kaly, for taking your time and effort to communicate here, it is appreciated.

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Is this situation we are in now awful? Yes. Cuold it have been avoided? Probably. Would the draconian measures required as soon as China finally admitted their problem have been tolerated by the population? Absolutely not. And thus they would have failed.
See, this is the thing. We will never know because they were not applied. One can of course say they wouldn't have worked. I may overestimate the people here, I have been here only 15 years, so what do I know. But I have a feeling that if intelligent measures are working in South Korea (they were ahead of Italy with infections at some point and still managed to curb the catastrophic spread now, just hope the numbers are real), they would work here, if they had to.

I know that changing habits take ages, but what happened from Fri till now is already an incredible adjustment in attitude.

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As a follow up. my Mom passed peacefully last Saturday afternoon surrounded by many of my siblings and several grandchildren.

I am so glad I decided not to fly back to the US as that decision could have compromised several family members. I was lucky to be able to FaceTime with my Mom a few hours before she passed. She lived an amazing life and looked very peaceful. Not easy to be so far removed when one's Mom passes, but my family have been great about calling me and including me regarding decisions about her funeral even though I will not be there.

The timing could not be worse but, to quote my Mom, "It is what it is"...

Just hope the government measures will contain this virus sooner than later.
My sincere condolences, terri. Thanks for sharing with us, you are in our thoughts. I am really glad you were able to make peace with not being there. I can imagine it is tough. You are a brave and caring person.
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Old 16.03.2020, 22:41
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Why are the KiTa's still open then?
Who is supposed to look after the children while their mothers are desperately needed at their jobs? We've got to make some compromises somewhere.
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Who is supposed to look after the children while their mothers are desperately needed at their jobs? We've got to make some compromises somewhere.
It defeats the whole purpose, it's ridiculous.
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Why are the KiTa's still open then?
Beats me in a way, I'm holding mine at home now, but our Kita with 200 kids has zero restrictions.

Pure insanity.

They should send the kids home that can be handled at home and create small groups that are kept apart from each other for those who really need it due to their profession or personal circumstances.
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Well with Switzerland now joining Italy. France and Spain in declaring a State of Emergency, you will
no doubt be looking for some sage advise of what to do when your toilets get blocked up
( for want of proper toilet paper ) and the plumber cannot be called out due to the lockdown.

Therefore once more the UK's Protect and Survive is your friend in time of necessity on how
to prepare an Emergency Toilet in your lockdown home.

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As a follow up. my Mom passed peacefully last Saturday afternoon surrounded by many of my siblings and several grandchildren.
So sorry to hear the news. My father passed while I was on deployment so I understand what you are feeling. I'm hoping you were able to say goodbye to your mother in your own way.

Missing the funeral will also be rough (speaking from experience). You miss an important part of the grieving process and support network. Look for some friends or family that can help you with that.

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Who is supposed to look after the children while their mothers are desperately needed at their jobs? We've got to make some compromises somewhere.
It is totally unrestricted in size and amount, ours has 200 kids and can do whatever they please, and trust me the people who work there are great with kids but they have no clue what to do with the bottle of disinfectant next to the doors, nobody was using that stuff when coming in or leaving, nor do the create different compartments in the building to lower the sizes of people coming in contact with each other which would be very easy since it even has several entrances, but every parent now just goes through the whole building to get their kids. Given expected penetration size of the infection it is impossible that it does not spread there either last week or next week.
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Explain to the kids that they must only play with the friend, and to stay away from other people.
It is tough, that's why our conseillere d'etat (vd) explained on Friday in the 7.30pm main news the need to make children understand that we need to stay at home. That people are sacrifying job security and health workers are risking so we need to play fair and stay home, too. Especially because children are the carriers that show the least symptoms. That's why TI is closing parks and playgrounds, to allow people finally understand the principle.

I know it is tough to go through this. The Task Force also explained the window of 15 critical days now that they have ahead in the US.

I think 'social distancing' sounds attractive but it feels just like a palatable euphemism for the tough self discipline and isolation. The fuzzy and charitable and community spirit that keeps popping up everywhere online makes up for the scary idea of isolation, though. We are social organisms.

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On a positive note, 17°C here tomorrow, and warmer weather could be a mitigating factor. Let's hope so.
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