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Old 16.03.2020, 23:01
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It is totally unrestricted in size and amount, ours has 200 kids and can do whatever they please, and trust me the people who work there are great with kids but they have no clue what to do with the bottle of disinfectant next to the doors, nobody was using that stuff when coming in or leaving, nor do the create different compartments in the building to lower the sizes of people coming in contact with each other which would be very easy since it even has several entrances, but every parent now just goes through the whole building to get their kids. Given expected penetration size of the infection it is impossible that it does not spread there either last week or next week.
Meanwhile, my kid is not supposed to play outside with a few mates but his sisters could sit in close quarters with 30+ others for a whole day at the Kita
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Old 16.03.2020, 23:05
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Re: Coronavirus

For the person who asked: "How should people who are prone to anxiety or depression deal with this situation?" (I wasn't able to quote for some reason)...

With depression and anxiety... What I found to help is to pay attention to what triggers them and then try to avoid the triggers. And create some kind of internal dialogue with myself ("cognitive behavioral therapy") to recognize negative thought patterns and change my thoughts. So rather than allowing my thoughts to control me, I've learned to change and control my thoughts, which in turn changes my emotions.
For me at least, I've found that limiting my reading of the news and updates about the virus -- keeping it to the essentials -- really helps with the anxiety. I've felt like my mind has been being bombarded about it lately, via the media, etc., which makes my anxiety begin to shoot up. But if and when I focus on other things, I feel so much better. I guess the best we can do right now is to just stay home and avoid contact with others as much as possible. But thankfully, we now have the internet, so we can still keep in touch with friends and socialize, to some extent.

Also... for anxiety, I have found magnesium supplements to help tremendously. I guess many people are deficient in magnesium and don't know it, and anxiety is one of the main symptoms. I can tell a big difference when I take it.

Hope this helps.
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Old 16.03.2020, 23:12
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Re: Coronavirus

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txxz4CzvKnQ
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Re: Coronavirus

Spain nationalizing private hospitals.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/c...20-3?r=US&IR=T
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Old 16.03.2020, 23:15
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Spain nationalizing private hospitals.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/c...20-3?r=US&IR=T
The article is a bit unlucky in word choice, they are not nationalised, government took control of them for the time being, not ownership.
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Old 16.03.2020, 23:20
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I think the UK needs to start applying stricter isolation across the whole population...considering the ICU staffing issues and lack of ventilators.
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Old 16.03.2020, 23:34
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I think the UK needs to start applying stricter isolation across the whole population...considering the ICU staffing issues and lack of ventilators.
At least the UK is asking local industry to start producing what's missing. We could do with more of that approach in this country and across the EU, but Brexit seems to have put more of a getgo mode in the current n°10. We're not going to get out of this without redirecting some of the industry to producing all that's needed for mass medical care.


BTW leshop.ch hit it's order limit for the next two weeks, and I understand coop@home has as well. You're going to have to forage outside if you run out of supplies. Even queuing in front of supermarkets... Oh 2020, why are you so interesting?
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Old 16.03.2020, 23:52
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So those graphs and campaigns about "flattening the curve" mean what?

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Reducing the numbers of new infections.
Actually that is incorrect. It isn't about reducing the numbers of infections it is about delaying the time to become infected. At the end of it all, the same number of people will be infected but the aim is to spread out these infections so that the health care system can handle the demand (specifically # of beds and ventilators).

The easiest way to "flatten the curve" is social distancing. Ideally, everybody stays home, doesn't go to work, no shopping, etc.,.. That is impossible in reality but for those of us who can try to do this, it should slow down the transmission rate. All of the kids that are still being dropped off at the kita, people going to work and people going shopping are going to continue the transmission of the virus. They will be the ones that will get infected first and the rest that lay low will get it eventually a few weeks later.
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Old 17.03.2020, 00:05
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Re: Coronavirus

EasyJet has announced that in view of the present uncertainty customers can transfer their flights to alternative dates and/or destinations without the usual change fee. (You just have to pay the fare difference if the new fare is higher). The waiver applies to both existing and new bookings until further notice.
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Meanwhile, my kid is not supposed to play outside with a few mates but his sisters could sit in close quarters with 30+ others for a whole day at the Kita
In Neuchâtel, all schools are closed, including crêches- with provisions made only for the children of those is essential services, in small groups.
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I saw both sides in Singapore. In the early days every case was all over the internet to see. "Case no. 14 works in this building, attended meetings on XX January with 12 people, had meetings in this other building, blah blah". You can therefore check whether you should go for screening so that every person suspected of being exposed can be accounted for. And if you are quarantined, you must install an app in your phone so that they can randomly call you and verify your location. All the control was working for a while... until, as their govt. official said, the UK and Switzerland fukced it up.
Wishful thinking to expect that what 'some' government in faraway Asia put in place as a methodology to fight against COVID-19 would be considered as something to be replicated in Europe, the US or in Kanton XX. Not being capable of implementing deep tracing and testing in such Orwellian times, while having at hand the technology along with a mass amount of collected data (Coop or Migros will know what to send to Her Meine und Frau Mini with a simple search algorithm) them, along with the ISP's and the government have every little number we generate. Lead by fear and being in essence insecure and selfish the principles that determine and sustain the fake privilege of believing ourselves 'private' inside small/neutral Switzerland. In a small Kanton, in 'my' tiny town. Within my little bubble. Not testing and sharing crucial information related to an infection that has killed 7.114 in a couple months and accounting 2.158 deaths in the neighbor country -while exponentially&rapidly spreading throughout the world- (not only across 'my' hometown) is extremely short sighted and utmost arrogance.

That idea of 'we' are so clean, rich and secure. That's what is now at a high risk of becoming doomed. With or without bold letters or in 'perfect' Einglish FWIW while irrelevant to/for the actual matter. Excuses for not warning beforehand those light sensible and sensitive people around. Hoping no one gets personally offended with my rant.

Now a study that comes from just a couple of hundreds of kilometers far, Italy:
https://osf.io/fd4rh/?view_only=c2f0...421fc2ea38e295

Figure S3 Below. Number of cases in the Province of Bergamo (red) and Lodi (green) as of March 13,
2020 A stylized example from social network theory can be helpful in explaining why
intergenerational interactions, co-residence, and commuting patterns might have played a role
in the spread of the COVID-19 infection to the older population in Italy. Individuals’ social
networks are generally composed of people similar in age. The population structure of contact
can be represented as age-homogeneous communities that have low contact between groups.
If the initial infections in northern Italy were younger people commuting to cities and having
plausibly international contacts, a crucial determinant of risk for the elderly is their network
distance to these younger sources, i.e. how many intermediaries need to be infected until they
are reached. Network science showed that even relatively few connections between
communities can lead to a stark reduction in average network distances; the so-called small
world phenomenon5. Such community “connecting” individuals might be those young people
around Milan that work in the city but reside in the most hard-hit villages in the surrounding
with their parents and grandparents. Thus, intergenerational co-residence may have
accelerated the outbreak by creating intercommunity connections that increase the proximity
of elderly to the initial cases, an area for further study.

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Old 17.03.2020, 00:36
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....... Hoping no one gets personally offended with my rant.........
Naaa. Did it make you feel better?

Considering we have about 7.9 million experts in this country I'm surprised we haven't won the battle yet.
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Old 17.03.2020, 01:39
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Re: Coronavirus

Late news on public transport: by Thursday it's meant to be cut in half to deal with staff unavailable because of illness or childcare, as well as sanitary distance measures, across the board. That includes boats across the lake on Lake Geneva. Train schedules are to be halvedm bus & trams networks will reschedule. If you depend on these, double check It may be like Saturday schedule. Yes this is adapting to the supposed staff working from home, but still, if you depend on it in the rush hour, double check.
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Old 17.03.2020, 03:00
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Re: Coronavirus

Another way of looking at the curve:

https://twitter.com/amdar1ing/status...80129575157760
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Old 17.03.2020, 06:58
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Depends on the antibody behavior, I reckon. The point is, we don‘t know.
It doesn't. It simply lessens the affects of a second time.
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Old 17.03.2020, 07:16
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Meanwhile, my kid is not supposed to play outside with a few mates but his sisters could sit in close quarters with 30+ others for a whole day at the Kita
So are you going to remove the girls?
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Old 17.03.2020, 07:16
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Re: Coronavirus

SRF News: Coop doesn't want cash payments anymore.

The virus can live on and be transmitted on cash and notes. Cards from now on. Well, covid-19 is helping the move to a cashless society...
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SRF News: Coop doesn't want cash payments anymore.

The virus can live on and be transmitted on cash and notes. Cards from now on. Well, covid-19 is helping the move to a cashless society...
Protecting those who are now essential workers.

Yesterday I used cash buying a chicken from the chicken van. When I got home, I sprayed the change I was given in notes and coins with disinfectant and then washed my hands.
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SRF News: Coop doesn't want cash payments anymore.

The virus can live on and be transmitted on cash and notes. Cards from now on. Well, covid-19 is helping the move to a cashless society...
Well if i run out of toilet paper i can alays use my stock of 1000'er notes!!
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Old 17.03.2020, 07:21
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SRF News: Coop doesn't want cash payments anymore.

The virus can live on and be transmitted on cash and notes. Cards from now on. Well, covid-19 is helping the move to a cashless society...
Back up that with the source!
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