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Or you can put your food/fabric under UV light for some minutes.
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Old 18.03.2020, 01:59
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I really had no idea about the freezing thing (and yes, was skeptical)... but didn't have time to research it before posting.
Lol, it looks like the opposite, I don't know why this old wife's tale then back home, it must have been some parasite treatment. Ok, do not freeze it!

I have been preparing my online teaching and am half asleep. The good news is, can do it without masks and it is only strenuous at the beginning, getting all the apps and groups set up. I feel bad since this is so fun.

Love your masks! We will make the same ones but black tomorrow, got some left over fabric.

After I get my kiddos online learning going and my courses going, this is intense. Uni style but managing mine and hers at the same time. This is a real test of the children's autonomy, how can they handle days online when we are trying to limit screen time to some healthy limit, beats me. I wonder how they will do...I hope they find some joy in school again, they cannot go out, run outside much.

A friend who is teaching small kids is sending all by post. I think I would prefer it, sitting down with a book or a brochure is more pleasant than sitting hours at a pc. I will suggest my kid to group up with 2 more friends and they study live online, together.
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Old 18.03.2020, 02:01
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Ah ha. What about the 10 million that don’t have bank accounts. Another estimate is 1 in 9 families ...
We pay our employees without bank accounts via a checking card. It’s like a check card that can be used at any ATM and refilled.

But, hey- keep grinding that axe.
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Old 18.03.2020, 05:09
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Re: Coronavirus

Hong Kong dog that tested 'weak positive' for Covid-19 dies
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The pet dog in Hong Kong which grabbed attention after it tested positive for Covid-19 has died after returning home to its owner.

The dog was taken into quarantine in February when its owner was diagnosed with Covid-19.

It returned a “weak positive” result over the course of several tests. Hong Kong radio reported this morning that the dog had finally tested negative and was allowed to go home on Saturday. However the owner told officials on Monday that it had died.

Authorities did not say how the dog had died and the owner refused permission for an autopsy.

The dog never showed symptoms or appeared ill, and a blood test showed it had no antibodies.

Health authorities repeatedly said there was no evidence the dog could pass the disease on to a human, and they urged people to continue to care for their pets. Because the dog showed weak positive results from swabs of its nasal cavity, the concern was that the cavity was likely a contaminated surface.
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Old 18.03.2020, 06:04
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Re: Coronavirus

A team from the CDC and other US organisations has reported evaluations of the stability of the new coronavirus outside the human body. They made measurements with aerosols and on surfaces of plastic, stainless steel, copper and cardboard. The half-life of the virus in aerosols was 1.1-1.2 hours and it remained viable for over 3 hours. The half-life on plastic was 6.8 hours, and on stainless steel 5.6 hours, while the virus remained viable on these surfaces for up to 72 hours. On cardboard, no viable virus was measured after 24 hours.

Source: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

Detailed results: https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.10...3_appendix.pdf

(Aerosols can remain suspended in air for long periods, unlike larger droplets which normally fall to the ground within the 2m safety distance).

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Old 18.03.2020, 06:31
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What I'm curious about is where all this money governments are throwing around is coming from. Either they've all been sitting on huge reserves we know nothing about or they're printing money asap.
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Old 18.03.2020, 06:33
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Hong Kong dog that tested 'weak positive' for Covid-19 dies
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The pet dog in Hong Kong which grabbed attention after it tested positive for Covid-19 has died after returning home to its owner.

The dog was taken into quarantine in February when its owner was diagnosed with Covid-19.

It returned a “weak positive” result over the course of several tests. Hong Kong radio reported this morning that the dog had finally tested negative and was allowed to go home on Saturday. However the owner told officials on Monday that it had died.

Authorities did not say how the dog had died and the owner refused permission for an autopsy.

The dog never showed symptoms or appeared ill, and a blood test showed it had no antibodies.

Health authorities repeatedly said there was no evidence the dog could pass the disease on to a human, and they urged people to continue to care for their pets. Because the dog showed weak positive results from swabs of its nasal cavity, the concern was that the cavity was likely a contaminated surface.
Given the fact coronavirus was suspected initially the owner shouldn't have been allowed to refuse an autopsy.
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Old 18.03.2020, 06:47
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Re: Coronavirus

Pollution levels over Europe sinking rapidlyAnd the world needs a plague to do this?

AND they can even see to the bottom of the canals in Venice and the fish are coming back!!
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Lol, it looks like the opposite, I don't know why this old wife's tale then back home, it must have been some parasite treatment. Ok, do not freeze it!
Yes, there's some truth in it. Fish that one intends to eat raw must be frozen for a few days before eating. There are precise instructions and official guides as to for how long exactly and at which temperatures (bellow - 20 Celsius degrees as far as I know).

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Thank you for the tip about the dryer. I hope I can believe that one without people getting mad at me for it.
Not sure if they allow you to do that lol (and who gives a .... it's EF after all ) but marton's advice is spot on.
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Old 18.03.2020, 06:48
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Just to get one thing straight. It's martial law. Not marshal law. Not marshall law. Marshall had a plan. Using the wrong word makes you look a bit ignorant and weakens your otherwise excellent and convincing arguments.
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Old 18.03.2020, 06:50
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Just to get one thing straight. It's martial law. Not marshal law. Not marshall law. Marshall had a plan.
No. Its Totalitarian law!
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Old 18.03.2020, 07:04
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Have you seen them in the last week? If so, you should probably quarantine yourself immediately.

With so many businesses in CH closed thats normal that one won't see them
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Old 18.03.2020, 07:08
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I really liked the Corona!

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Old 18.03.2020, 07:37
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Re: Coronavirus

My inlaws (60+, preexisting conditions) went on holiday to Central America a few weeks ago, with a CH based tour group. Return flight was scheduled for tomorrow.

Now they're stuck in Guatemala indefinitely
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Old 18.03.2020, 07:39
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Freezing does not kill viruses, it preserves them. There is some literature around ancient viruses extracted from Siberian lakes.

Freezing and then thawing does not do them a lot of good, so several cycles of freeing/thawing will significantly reduce them.

Better to put the fabric in a tumble dryer at high heat, according to the WHO temperatures of 65/70C will kill most germs and viruses. Of course, there is not a lot known about this new coronavirus and its vulnerabilities.

Edit; others say you need at least 75C
WHO tested the original SARS as killed at 56°C. SARS-CoV-2 is very similar, the same temperature can reasonably be expected.

SARS 1 was unusually stable at very low temperatures, cold won't touch it.

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/
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My inlaws (60+, preexisting conditions) went on holiday to Central America a few weeks ago, with a CH based tour group. Return flight was scheduled for tomorrow.

Now they're stuck in Guatemala indefinitely
Wow, in Guatemala indefinitely. Are they still with the tour group, or on their own now?
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Old 18.03.2020, 07:43
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WHO tested the original SARS as killed at 56°C. SARS-CoV-2 is very similar, the same temperature can reasonably be expected.

SARS 1 was unusually stable at very low temperatures, cold won't touch it.

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/
Long-dormant bacteria and viruses, trapped in ice and permafrost for centuries, are reviving as Earth's climate warms
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Old 18.03.2020, 07:51
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No. Its Totalitarian law!
Wrong. Totalitarian law is control over every aspect of everyone's life. That's what China is aiming to do. The rest of the world in "lockdown" is restricting some aspects of life, but outside of that, do what you like. Walk the dog. Get much needed exercise. Even have dinner with friends - if you want to take that risk.
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Old 18.03.2020, 08:06
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Here's a sweet tale, from Bern Inselspital.
https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/bern/st...buest-13627679

A nurse, who has been instructed not to travel to work by public transport, and who is working long hours overtime, parked her car in the wrong place. She knew she was doing so, and left a note in her windscreen explaining her situation, politely, to any possible policeperson who may need to fine her, even saying: "I'll understand that you're just doing your job. So am I."

When she returned to her car, though, after her long day, she had a fine, anyway. She's not contesting that, and was prepared to pay. But next to it was a handwritten note from a stranger, saying: "I tried in vain to stop the policewoman from giving you a fine. So I'll cover the cost."

In the end, the hospital is covering the fine, and now they're in touch with the police to find better parking solutions for their staff.
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Old 18.03.2020, 08:06
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Given the fact coronavirus was suspected initially the owner shouldn't have been allowed to refuse an autopsy.

The poor dog probably died of the stress from the previous weeks.
If the govt. suspected anything Covid 19 related they would have done an autopsy, the owners permission would not have been a factor.


From WHO:

Can I catch COVID-19 from my pet?

While there has been one instance of a dog being infected in Hong Kong, to date, there is no evidence that a dog, cat or any pet can transmit COVID-19. COVID-19 is mainly spread through droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks. To protect yourself, clean your hands frequently and thoroughly.

WHO continues to monitor the latest research on this and other COVID-19 topics and will update as new findings are available.
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