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Apparently the reporting system operates by fax. Probably takes the millenials a couple of hours to work out how to use one.
Makes sense, Fax is highly reliable and pretty easy to secure. Nothing wrong with Fax.
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Old 19.03.2020, 16:27
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Re: Coronavirus

Apologies if this has been posted already in this monster thread.

Australia and New Zealand have closed their borders to all but citizens and returning current residents. The Treasurer and Prime Minister of Australia indicated that they expected this (and other measures just announced) to apply for AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.

Half a year of no international visitors would decimate or even destroy the tourism industry in Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia. The rest of the country would also feel the bite, of course, but those three states/territories depend on tourism, which peaks in the dry season (April - September). I hope that somehow, the six month period is a massive over-estimate.
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Old 19.03.2020, 16:35
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The toilet paper thing I seriously don't understand. Yep, the shelves were all empty from afar,
Our local Denner was well stocked. But I won't tell you which one in case you panic...

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Makes sense, Fax is highly reliable and pretty easy to secure. Nothing wrong with Fax.
Reduces load on the mobile network as well.
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Old 19.03.2020, 16:45
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Makes sense, Fax is highly reliable and pretty easy to secure. Nothing wrong with Fax.
My doctor is complaining that the form has to be filled in by hand and then faxed. He says it takes time and would much prefer on online form...
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The deaths are lagged and don't correspond to the current infections. You don't catch it and die immediately.

Each day we are having some 3 - 4 deaths now (~29 total) and if you imagine a 7 day lag-time between infection and death that would put it at 29 deaths for ~1000 infections (as of 7 days ago 12.03.2020) or roughly 2%.

I do not know what is the average time between infection and death however.
There is a lot of interesting data in https://www.worldometers.info/corona...rus-death-rate, there they talk about 14 days between first symptoms (not infection) and death, but that study seems to be based on a rather small number of cases.

Interesting is also the case of the Diamond Princess; all passengers and crew were tested, 712 positives and 7 deaths so far, with 14 cases still listed as serious/critical. This for an average age of 58, and 33% aged 70 or older.
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Re: Coronavirus

Were there any new restrictions announced today for all of CH?
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Old 19.03.2020, 17:03
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Apologies if this has been posted already in this monster thread.

Australia and New Zealand have closed their borders to all but citizens and returning current residents. The Treasurer and Prime Minister of Australia indicated that they expected this (and other measures just announced) to apply for AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.

Half a year of no international visitors would decimate or even destroy the tourism industry in Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia. The rest of the country would also feel the bite, of course, but those three states/territories depend on tourism, which peaks in the dry season (April - September). I hope that somehow, the six month period is a massive over-estimate.
My son is now returning back from Melbourne this weekend (after only 2 weeks on campus). His uni (Monash) have cancelled all classroom based courses and moved everything that can to online courses. American carriers are beginning to restrict or cancel routes to and from Australia. Probably best not to weather the storm in a foreign land.
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Were there any new restrictions announced today for all of CH?
Some cantons like Uri blocking 65+ in their homes, as for Zürich no changes today.
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Re: Coronavirus

I can tell you exactly why they still use fax. Because a year or so after Christ was born, they implemented fax technology and embedded its usage into the handbook "What to do in times of crisis - Swiss edition". However since this is country which follows the old adage of "if it's not broken, why fix it", they never bothered updating the emergency apparatus. Now I said it time and time again, if Switzerland were to ever face a crisis, that it would get utterly fuurked and this is precisely what is happening now. Beginning of this year, Swisscom had 2 separate hiccups, where the emergency lines were not working and all emergency calls from ZH and AG had to be rerouted to magnificent Olten (well, technically the canton of Solothurn but Olten runs $hit, as the PoPo is located there). Such nincompoopism is only possible in 2020 when there is an utter lack of understanding where one is in comparison to other countries. Sure, Mercer never fails to highlight the quality of life and the average citizen goes to bed at 10pm, thinking how lucky they are to be living in such an organized country and yet, every once in a while, reality hits home and I sure hope that they learned their lesson this time.



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Afternoon all - so what's the level of Corrie fallout in your area today ?

Has anyone ventured outside their Corrie fallout shelters today ?
I see the Bank of England has done another emergency rate cut from 0.25 per cent down to 0.1 per cent.

Soon you will have to pay British building Societies interest to keep money in their savings accounts.
Like we do in Switzerland?
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Just a reminder that smoking on the toilet is bad for your health during the Corrie lockdown.


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Were there any new restrictions announced today for all of CH?
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Everyone, not only those in risk categories, has been asked to try to avoid going out at all, other than to work, to shop for essentials such as food and medication, or to see a doctor by pre-arrangement.

Shops must permit entrance to only 1 customer per 10m2 of floor-space of the store, and must control this.

The sale of analgesics is limited to only 1 pack per person (or per sale?). An exception can be made for chronic patients with doctors' certificates specifically for this.

Doctors, dentists and similar medical professions such as physiotherapists are not allowed to receive any patient unless there is a high-priority health condition needing immediate treatment.

Locally
In some places (Canton Uri) it is no longer permitted for over 65-year-olds to leave their homes at all, with the exception of the above reasons, or for a walk, but for a maximum of 2 hours per day.

Everyone must respect the 2m social distancing. Where it has not been done by children and their parents, a town (Kriens) has set a precedent by closing its playgrounds.

In Switzerland such local measures are often observed by some other municipalities and cantons, which then follow suit, so we may see more of this in the next while.
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Re: Coronavirus

EDIT & Apology for this post #4,252 r.e. 'New symptoms' - loss of sense of smell and taste.

I've since heard that whilst these symptoms have been reported, they are late stage symptoms in the milder cases of coronavirus, and they are also common side effects of many strains of colds and flu. They are NOT symptoms that indicate you may have contracted the virus.

Sorry!

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Old 19.03.2020, 17:24
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I revisited the Chinese tourist invasion thread and found this jewel from late January (https://www.englishforum.ch/3140157-post30.html)

EdwinNL : "I do admit however that with the current outbreak of the new Coronavirus I would not mind those Chinese tourists skipping Switzerland for a while."

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According to BAG, there are 800 ICU beds in CH, and about 640 are occupied.
So with 160 left, they will start triage for those beds by the weekend I expect.
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Not new, but hitting the headlines, big coverup in Wuhan took place.
Local govt. officials being accused.
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Old 19.03.2020, 17:39
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Everyone, not only those in risk categories, has been asked to try to avoid going out at all, other than to work, to shop for essentials such as food and medication, or to see a doctor by pre-arrangement.

Shops must permit entrance to only 1 customer per 10m2 of floor-space of the store, and must control this.

The sale of analgesics is limited to only 1 pack per person (or per sale?). An exception can be made for chronic patients with doctors' certificates specifically for this.

Doctors, dentists and similar medical professions such as physiotherapists are not allowed to receive any patient unless there is a high-priority health condition needing immediate treatment.

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In some places (Canton Uri) it is no longer permitted for over 65-year-olds to leave their homes at all, with the exception of the above reasons, or for a walk, but for a maximum of 2 hours per day.

Everyone must respect the 2m social distancing. Where it has not been done by children and their parents, a town (Kriens) has set a precedent by closing its playgrounds.

In Switzerland such local measures are often observed by some other municipalities and cantons, which then follow suit, so we may see more of this in the next while.
Thanks. So do the new restrictions mean that kids shouldn't be playing outside at all from now on? I know that before they were supposed to keep it to groups of five or less and still maintain a bit of distance, but I guess I'm not sure if there are new restrictions now where kids shouldn't be playing outside in common areas.

My friend told me a bit ago that police around Zürichsee were going around today, yelling at people, telling them to go home.
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Old 19.03.2020, 17:42
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Thanks. So do the new restrictions mean that kids shouldn't be playing outside at all from now on? I know that before they were supposed to keep it to groups of five or less and still maintain a bit of distance, but I guess I'm not sure if there are new restrictions now where kids shouldn't be playing outside in common areas.
Frisbee and not football, perhaps?
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This home schooling is not really working either.
It's going marvelously. There is a mute button.

Seriously now, I cannot see the students repeating a year as the wishes from some I know suggested. I do not think it is possible. I wonder, it has worked so far really well since Monday but I know it can tough for some students to stress and still have to focus and work alone, for some parents to be able to sit down and explain stuff, especially if it is in a local language, to be applied and performing when all feels just like simple homework when in reality it is real school and the content might not be reviewed again. Yet, week one only. It will all smooth out by the wknd, I bet. Thoughts to all online and distance students and teachers and parents!
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