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How is Switzerland doing - Covid-19

Hey there,


I'm not normally very active on this forum, but I though this might be the place to post and find answers for some of these questions. I'm Danish of origin and I don't actually even live in Switzerland (yet), but my girlfriend lives here, and I decided to stay put with her through this covid-crisis.


How do you guys feel like Switzerland is handling this whole thing? I mean, we've seen Italy, and I guess by that standard it's not that bad here yet, but I have a feeling (looking at Germany) that we could be headed there.


Did they do enough - quickly enough here? Being Danish, it's been a strange ride following the situation here, because the Danish government reacted promptly already when they only had a few cases; took it very seriously, and did a whole lot of press conferences to get that point across to the Danish population.


Here, it seemed like economics came first to begin with, and then suddenly now they have started to take huge measures, holding almost daily press conferences and so on, but I honestly don't know whether to feel safe here or not. The spread has already happened on a very large scale, and with an incubation time of around 14 days, everything being done today, will not be felt until after at least two weeks. In that time we will see some very ugly numbers here, man..


I have never been in touch with the health system here, so I don't know how the standard is, I don't know how many beds they have here per citizen, how many respirators they have, and I haven't yet seen the authorities here give an honest estimate as to how many people they expect to contract this disease in this country. In Denmark they came out early stating a guess around 60% of the population. In Germany they expect somewhere around there too, if I'm not mistaking. Because of UK's initial herd-immunity-approach, their expectation was 81%. Here in Switzerland? No idea. Are the swiss government and health officials even in touch with the EU, sharing data and experience etc.? Because from my perspective, they seem to be running a kind of solo show, where 'headless chicken' is my best way of describing it, and I don't even mean that as a criticism, because I almost feel bad for the people - they seem to be a little clueless in all this..


Anyways, I'd just like to know my chances - as a smoker - of actually surviving this thing in this country, as compared to my own. When this whole thing broke out, I immediately went and got a travel insurance that covers my ass, so financially I should be good. But when they as basically the only country, have not let us know when they expect to have to choose who lives and dies, I don't really like my odds in Switzerland right now. Is that a fair comment, at all? I'd like to know what everybody else is thinking.


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Hey there,


I'm not normally very active on this forum, but I though this might be the place to post and find answers for some of these questions. I'm Danish of origin and I don't actually even live in Switzerland (yet), but my girlfriend lives here, and I decided to stay put with her through this covid-crisis.


How do you guys feel like Switzerland is handling this whole thing? I mean, we've seen Italy, and I guess by that standard it's not that bad here yet, but I have a feeling (looking at Germany) that we could be headed there.


Did they do enough - quickly enough here? Being Danish, it's been a strange ride following the situation here, because the Danish government reacted promptly already when they only had a few cases; took it very seriously, and did a whole lot of press conferences to get that point across to the Danish population.


Here, it seemed like economics came first to begin with, and then suddenly now they have started to take huge measures, holding almost daily press conferences and so on, but I honestly don't know whether to feel safe here or not. The spread has already happened on a very large scale, and with an incubation time of around 14 days, everything being done today, will not be felt until after at least two weeks. In that time we will see some very ugly numbers here, man..


I have never been in touch with the health system here, so I don't know how the standard is, I don't know how many beds they have here per citizen, how many respirators they have, and I haven't yet seen the authorities here give an honest estimate as to how many people they expect to contract this disease in this country. In Denmark they came out early stating a guess around 60% of the population. In Germany they expect somewhere around there too, if I'm not mistaking. Because of UK's initial herd-immunity-approach, their expectation was 81%. Here in Switzerland? No idea. Are the swiss government and health officials even in touch with the EU, sharing data and experience etc.? Because from my perspective, they seem to be running a kind of solo show, where 'headless chicken' is my best way of describing it, and I don't even mean that as a criticism, because I almost feel bad for the people - they seem to be a little clueless in all this..


Anyways, I'd just like to know my chances - as a smoker - of actually surviving this thing in this country, as compared to my own. When this whole thing broke out, I immediately went and got a travel insurance that covers my ass, so financially I should be good. But when they as basically the only country, have not let us know when they expect to have to choose who lives and dies, I don't really like my odds in Switzerland right now. Is that a fair comment, at all? I'd like to know what everybody else is thinking.


Thanks for listening


/Martin
Criminal shambles from the Federal gvt.
On Monday, we’ll be at 10k cases.
The federal council will announce they double the fines.
By Thursday, we’ll have 20k cases and the hospitals will start be overrun. Then measures will be announced... a full three weeks after Italy.
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Criminal shambles from the Federal gvt.
On Monday, we’ll be at 10k cases.
The federal council will announce they double the fines.
By Thursday, we’ll have 20k cases and the hospitals will start be overrun. Then measures will be announced... a full three weeks after Italy.
silly conjecture
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Let’s see next week.
So far the contamination rate is not far from Italy’s.

Thankfully the weather gets worse and people cannot have a bbq on the lake anymore with friends.
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Who's doing what today then?
I'm off to walk the dog in the woods, then cleaning the windows.
No shopping required.
Work work work work work....

Pharmacy. Have to buy some meat, cheese, too.

At 9pm we will play our instruments at the windows with our neighbors.

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McDonalds have just announced a total shut down (take away, deliveries, drive-thru) so that little treat I promised the kids will have to wait

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Time to have some fun with kids in the kitchen.

And then work out, it starts the 23rd.

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time to remove my subscription to this thread. Too much hysteria here! And time to turn off all main stream news!
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Does anyone know if they are totally stopping flights totally to London? If so when is the last date?!
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A joke about one of Blueangel's post just made me realize: If everyone would use the lock-down for further education, they could return to office claiming being over-qualified and demand more pay.
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1: Could happen.
2: Nobody knows until it happens.
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How do you guys feel like Switzerland is handling this whole thing? I mean, we've seen Italy, and I guess by that standard it's not that bad here yet, but I have a feeling (looking at Germany) that we could be headed there.


Did they do enough - quickly enough here? Being Danish, it's been a strange ride following the situation here, because the Danish government reacted promptly already when they only had a few cases; took it very seriously, and did a whole lot of press conferences to get that point across to the Danish population.
One of the regular members here who lives in Ticino would have liked to see the border with Italy closed a hell of a lot sooner, and I'm inclined to agree with him. Switzerland waited until all the neighbouring countries closed there borders with Switzerland before closing theirs, which is a little peculiar to me. It's not the number of individual diagnosed cases that matters as much as the percentage of the population, and without testing, nobody knows what the situation really is. Without nationwide rolling antibody blood tests, we'll never know the reality. That bothers me. The people are the economy. They're the workforce, businesses and consumers. In all things, they should come first because you've got nothing left without them.

As for the health care system, a few scales I've seen recently rank Switzerland as No.20 in the world, which is all well and good until you see that France in No.1, Italy No.2 (particularly because of Lombardy which has some of the best hospitals in the world yet is past breaking point now), and the UK is No.18. https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...-in-the-world/

We're also finding it a strange ride to follow as we have close family in the UK, Greece and South Africa so have been following the situation in those countries very closely. Greece went into total lockdown on Wednesday because they know their healthcare system wouldn't cope with having a pandemic hotspot. Family talk to each other on a more guarded, emotional level, so I've been talking to a more straight-talking friend in Kifissia, northern Athens who says the lockdown is very strict there (thankfully). Close friends in Spain who live in a tiny (less that 2k population) hill top village have had a problem with travellers coming to village to escape the cities, despite the country being in lockdown for a week now, and their village being in complete lockdown for a while longer as they have a very tight knit and older demographic. They're not even allowed out to walk their dogs. Their village council keeps playing 'Y Viva Espania' over the tannoys.

All that said, it's the UK government's course of action that scares me the most. I'm the kind of person who researches and plans down the last detail as far as I can. I know the problems but am solutions driven. My partner is the type of person who throws money at a problem to make it go away. I fear it's my partner's type of behaviour that I'm seeing in the UK. You can almost see the smoke coming off the Bank of England's printing presses, which will inevitably crash the economy at some point down the line.

What I'm seeing in the UK is the entire population being put at risk because the medical advice has been modified to accommodate for a percentage stubborn gits, the kind who were rammed into every pub they could find open last night before they were closed. Compare that to the relative calm and acceptance in Switzerland. I'd rather be here than the UK, but ideally would prefer to be on one of the many Greek islands that haven't been touched yet. There must be many Danish islands that haven't been affected?
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A joke about one of Blueangel's post just made me realize: If everyone would use the lock-down for further education, they could return to office claiming being over-qualified and demand more pay.
Oh god! What have I done now?
Ideally, I'd come out of this 'hibernation' a perfect size 10 after spending an hour each day on the treadmill, speaking C2 German, perfect Schweizerdeutsch, French, Italian and Greek. Instead, after watching 10 mins of TeleZüri News and 15mins of UK news, I need to dettox by watching crap, happy bubblegum tv and listening to my OH's video of a Greek cat protecting itself from the virus by drinking raki and wearing a pair of underpants over it's face. *Need motivation*
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Distances have just become something else ... When we moved here almost exactly 11 years ago- we did so knowing that if we needed to get back to family, to grandchildren in particular - just had to jump in the car, get to the airport, get to Gatwick, jump in a taxi and be there in a few hours... and vice-versa. Now we dont know when we will next see them - thank goodness they came to ski with us for half-term. Can't jump in the car and drive, can't get on the TGV and Eurostar ...

Tonight, thinking about musician friends who are all in India now - and can't get back home. One of them is getting on the last plane out of Mumbai tomorrow as his mum really needs him at the mo- the others just cannot get back to Spain or Austria. Even the one able to get back has had to spent all the money he has earnt for many many months and has had to leave his favourite instruments there. Travel safe Daniel, and stay safe Flavio and Montry + Belle.

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Does anyone know if they are totally stopping flights totally to London? If so when is the last date?!
Flights will be stopped for one of two reasons.

1. One or two of the governments tell the airlines to.

This is unlikely, because the restrictions already in place are sufficient.

2. Demand falls off meaning the airlines lose money on every rotation.

This much more likely, but difficult to estimate when. You will first see further reductions in frequency and smaller airports in the UK will be affected first.

If you need to get there, I advise you do so as soon as possible.
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Stay well in confinement. First hand from ED, more and more cases being seen in Nyon where they are getting worse quickly. Typically healthy young people, imaging on them apparently are alarming to see
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Time to exercise tolerance and patience. An otherwise very well-behaved little child nearby is having a tantrum, screaming. I guess that, even though he is too small to understand what's going on, the tension is too much. Very responsible parents, caring to towards the children, respectful towards the neighbours, and probably, right now, frazzled.
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What is ED, please, in this context?
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My neighbour has Italian relatives. Apparently they're still allowed to walk for exercise and walk their dogs. I don't know what region, but one of the northern ones.
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