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Old 22.03.2020, 16:17
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It is beginning to level off and then every day after will see a reduction. Should not be long

I hope so but not the case everywhere. See below on Italy and in UK they have only just closed down the pubs and my son witnessed a queue of about 200 people waiting to get into Asda this morning. Of course they didn't adhere to the 2m safe distance in case someone jumped in front of them in line



ROME (Reuters) - The death toll from an outbreak of coronavirus in Italy has leapt by 793 to 4,825, officials said on Saturday, an increase of 19.6% — by far the largest daily rise in absolute terms since the contagion emerged a month ago.
On Thursday, Italy overtook China as the country to register most deaths from the highly contagious virus.
The total number of cases in Italy rose to 53,578 from a previous 47,021, an increase of 13.9%, the Civil Protection Agency said.
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:20
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Social distancing does not apply to people who live in the same household.

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I know......but tell that to those busybodies (Besserwüsser) private police in our village, who 'need' to tell you off.......also my peak flow has lowered considerably to 250 and thus I am not going out if I can prevent it.
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:25
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Must say I find it pretty difficult to decide how much of a crisis we have in CH at the moment..

Big restrictions on everything, shops, working, travel, schools etc.. But reported numbers are still very low, I've still only heard personally about 3 cases, 3 people who sat beside each other at work who are recovering fine. Nothing amongst friends or friends or friends, neighbours, anecdotes etc.

Is it really under control? am I just missing it? is the big wave coming or have we really really flattened the curve?
Since we are almost at the same level of confirmed infections as Italy based on population size, you would also say that Italy has very low reported numbers?????????

It is definitely not under control yet.
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:35
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Since we are almost at the same level of infections as Italy based on population size, you would also say that Italy has very low reported numbers?????????

It is definitely not under control yet.
We may have similar number of reports per percentage of population but what I'm not seeing, in real life or on local media (even social media) is the same level of horror as elsewhere..

We see no scenes of full hospitals, exhausted medics, panic buying, coffins piled up etc .. We're still only on a partial lock-down too..

So, if, as you say our numbers are way up there with Italy, what are we doing right? Or is the true horror just hidden?
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:39
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Must say I find it pretty difficult to decide how much of a crisis we have in CH at the moment..

Big restrictions on everything, shops, working, travel, schools etc.. But reported numbers are still very low, I've still only heard personally about 3 cases, 3 people who sat beside each other at work who are recovering fine. Nothing amongst friends or friends or friends, neighbours, anecdotes etc.

Is it really under control? am I just missing it? is the big wave coming or have we really really flattened the curve?
Here the current curve. decide on you common sense to determine whether it will flatten:

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...gleich/?nosome
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:47
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I know......but tell that to those busybodies (Besserwüsser) private police in our village, who 'need' to tell you off.......also my peak flow has lowered considerably to 250 and thus I am not going out if I can prevent it.
Can't you just say "Hey - we live together you so shut up, idiot"? Or something more polite...?

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Here the current curve. decide on you common sense to determine whether it will flatten:

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...gleich/?nosome
I prefer this one https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/switzerland/ as you can switch to logarithmic, which makes it easier to see whether curve is not accelerating so much.
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:49
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Anyone entering Germany from Switzerland has to quarantine themselves for 14 days if not a cross border worker/logistics etc. This info is towards the end of this link under the heading ‘What do you need to consider when travelling to and staying in Switzerland?’

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-1...rland/45592192

Oops. Didn't know that.

Not exactly surprising given the current situation.

Described here:

https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/f...38352bodyText3


Though, the quarantine is not enforced of course.

But should you get sick and even transmit the disease and later it would be traced back to you - that would certainly not be a very nice situation to be in...
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:52
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We may have similar number of reports per percentage of population but what I'm not seeing, in real life or on local media (even social media) is the same level of horror as elsewhere..

We see no scenes of full hospitals, exhausted medics, panic buying, coffins piled up etc .. We're still only on a partial lock-down too..

So, if, as you say our numbers are way up there with Italy, what are we doing right? Or is the true horror just hidden?
We are behind on Italy, our true horror has yet to come.
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:54
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Here the current curve. decide on you common sense to determine whether it will flatten:

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...gleich/?nosome
It's subscriber-only.
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Old 22.03.2020, 16:55
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By how long, what do you think?

We did implement the measures sooner (if you count after the 1st cases showing up), though, and maybe differently?
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:00
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We may have similar number of reports per percentage of population but what I'm not seeing, in real life or on local media (even social media) is the same level of horror as elsewhere..

We see no scenes of full hospitals, exhausted medics, panic buying, coffins piled up etc .. We're still only on a partial lock-down too..

So, if, as you say our numbers are way up there with Italy, what are we doing right? Or is the true horror just hidden?
Once the crematoriums start running 24x7 and they have to move the coffins elsewhere, you know that SHTF.
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:06
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What bit of stay indoors don't these people understand?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-51994504
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:07
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Can't you just say "Hey - we live together you so shut up, idiot"? Or something more polite...?


I prefer this one https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/switzerland/ as you can switch to logarithmic, which makes it easier to see whether curve is not accelerating so much.
Need to watch the data for a few more days but the acceleration of the curve MIGHT be slowing.
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:09
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It's subscriber-only.
No, you only have to register with an email address, without paying. At least that’s what I do.

It’s the only place I’ve found that keeps me up-to-date, other than 20 Minutes (but you need to deactivate your adblocker if you are not using the 20 Minuten app), see this post:

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post3161471

And this one as well:

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home.html
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:28
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I'm not downplaying anything - i'm just simply stating a fact. For a huge majority of people this virus is not serous. We shouldn't forget that.

I really don't understand the need for apocalyptic doom and gloom mood.
Ok, in a few words: if we do nothing millions could die. If we go half-way the world economy suffers and hundreds of thousands still die. If we go full-out against the virus probably only tens of thousands will die but the economy will be devastated. Each scenario is pretty bad, no?
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:42
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What bit of stay indoors don't these people understand?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-51994504
Imagine you get forcibly put in jail tomorrow. How would you feel?
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:44
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I'm going to have to go to our local Migros tomorrow. I'm tempted to wear a mask (in part because I don't want to catch anything and then give it to my 84-year old mother-in-law). I wonder how many strange looks I would get if I wear one. I still find it a bit strange that I have only ever seen one person wearing one here... Not sure if that's because people don't feel a need to wear them or if they just didn't get any (or couldn't).
I have a few FFP2 masks at home, so yesterday decided to wear one to Migros (ZH Oberland), was also wondering what kind of reaction I'd get. Well, after a couple of minutes it actually felt good, I felt like I was doing the right thing. But I did notice that some people gave me plenty of room. I also saw the whole 3 others wearing masks! (albeit simple surgical type) so am sure we'll be seeing more and more people in masks. People are slowly but surely getting it...
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Because wearing one will increase your chances of infection unless you are medical professional, know how to use it and you change your mask every hour
And that's exactly why everybody in China wears a mask, right? Even at workplace. Because everyone is a doctor...
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It's subscriber-only.

https://interaktiv.tagesanzeiger.ch/...gleich/?nosome

Indeed, how can they keep Covid19 information behind a paywall? Is miserable they can't release such info immediately following a main fundamental principle of their profession (or ethics). But no. They can't refrain to make profit out of something that puts the whole society at stake.

Valuable info for the general public - Not for the revenues of the Newspaper.
Short-sighted, Selfish, Stubborn and Slow that combo!

Fortunately there are other sources:
SRF, Swissinfo, NZZ, WOZ, etc
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Old 22.03.2020, 18:02
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If you are going to wear a mask you need to know how to put them on.

See here: https://www.wikihow.com/Put-on-a-Medical-Mask

And remember WASH YOUR HANDS before you touch the mask; DO NOT TOUCH IT while being worn. If necessary adjust it by the edges. After you remove it, dispose of it properly and WASH YOUR HANDS.

Oh, did I mention WASH YOUR HANDS!?

I'm not certain a home-made mask is going to be much good.
I wonder: if one uses a quality valved mask can one re-use it instead of throwing away? I have a couple of old ffp2 masks I kept for doing dusty work, so I could wear one then take it off carefully and put it away to "air out" for a few days, seeing that the virus can only survive up to 2 - 3 days on soft material surfaces. And wear the other one while the first mask "rests"
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