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I wonder if there will be a surge of babies being born, because people are forced to stay cooped up inside. The Corona Generation .
I can just see it 20 years from now . . ."Yeah, I'm a Corona baby too. I can't believe how stupid people were back then. "
Yes there will be a surge in babies and a surge in break-ups/divorces.

Corona and isolation will be a true test of everyone's relationship.

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I don't see how lock down will help long term.
Long term being 12 to 18 months, or before a vaccine becomes widely available.



The vulnerable need to isolate properly if they want to survive.
Everyone else just needs to take care and avoid unnecessary risks.
Luckily we are relying on the advice of the WHO and pandemic experts worldwide, and not the opinions of randoms such as yourself on internet forums.
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Old 23.03.2020, 09:43
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The name of the game is isolation so the virus will die out without spreading.
Might want to read about St. Louis. One of the few cities to practice this in 1919. https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cit...-stlouis.html#
The virus will not die out. Your delusion. Has Grippe died out? No. Its mutated.
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The virus will not die out. Your delusion. Has Grippe died out? No. Its mutated.
We could let the flu die out if we really wanted to, however we never tried.
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The name of the game is isolation so the virus will die out without spreading.
Might want to read about St. Louis. One of the few cities to practice this in 1919. https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cit...-stlouis.html#

I can see it slowing down, sure, but die out is not going to happen before a vaccine arrives.

We need healthy people catching this, and the vulnerable isolating properly.


It's not even a roll of the dice if a youngish healthy person will die. Statistics are showing their death rates are miniscule.
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Luckily we are relying on the advice of the WHO and pandemic experts worldwide, and not the opinions of randoms such as yourself on internet forums.
The tone is slowly but surely changing since countires see that a complete shutdown and isolation is too costly and it will take months if not years to achieve.

Sweden for example is doing business as usual, even their PM said "most of us will contract the virus and very few will suffer"

Sweden this morning:

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The tone is slowly but surely changing since countires see that a complete shutdown and isolation is too costly and it will take months if not years to achieve.

Sweden for example is doing business as usual, even their PM said "most of us will contract the virus and very few will suffer"

Sweden this morning:

I am happy for the tone to change as long as it is backed by solid scientific evidence. I of course don't want a lock down... but at the same time I don't mind it if it is necessary.

Slowing the spread and trasmission rate is essential to stop infrastructure being overwhelmed, so I think for this period at least there need to be sufficient curbs on people going out and mingling. It can then be re-assessed later.
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Old 23.03.2020, 10:04
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Sweden is a very different country. To begin with, their working hours per week are much shorter. They already had a lot of work flexibility before the virus. It would be good if someone from Sweden can do a better description, but I'd say business as usual in Sweden is already like a partial shutdown in other countries.

Anecdote: I have a Swedish subcontractor and they're doing home office since a week ago.
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We had an appoinment this morning with our GP (for something non-corona related), who is also holding forth as an affiliated doctor at one of the Bern hospitals...to say that he looked like death warmed up is to put it mildly!

He's shutting down his GP practice now to be able to concentrate on the hospital work.

As former nursing personnell I have deepest respect of the strain the medical profession is under right now....and I tip my hat to any and all of you!!

As well as to all the other heroes, who help to keep our country ticking over and see to supply us (stock up) with goods, and frankly, expose themselves to danger of infection whilst doing so!

THANKS so much!

I can only honour this effort by keeping my distance, but promise to shop 'til I drop in our village's stores, to get the economy going again, as soon as this nightmare is over!!

I have even booked a date already with my hairdresser as well......at 10am on the first day she can open shop again. Small businesses like hers are the ones who need such small gestures at this moment, to give them hope!
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Sweden is a very different country. To begin with, their working hours per week are much shorter. They already had a lot of work flexibility before the virus. It would be good if someone from Sweden can do a better description, but I'd say business as usual in Sweden is already like a partial shutdown in other countries.

Anecdote: I have a Swedish subcontractor and they're doing home office since a week ago.
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My sister in law lives in Stockholm which has over 600 confirmed cases and 7 deaths by now, she is pregnant but forced to work as a teacher, her GP thinks she might have astma, but employer sticks to the law and says "we need confirmation and else you are healthy and not at risk since kids hardly the virus". So she called hospital for a consult to confirm astma or not, "yeah sorry we are to busy with Corona, no time for this" also she has to travel with public transport which is stuffed.

People still gather in the parks with hundreds at once, they go to concerts, they travel throughout the whole country, the ski resorts where stuffed and bars are full. It is a country in denial with the prime-minister saying things like "only a very few will suffer", the borders are widely open.

Sweden is a total -up.
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Old 23.03.2020, 10:57
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Reported in the newspaper 'Le Temps'

'' ■ Verbier, foyer majeur de Covid-19?

L'inquiétude des médecins du val de Bagnes est palpable. Selon leurs observations, relatées par nos confrères du Nouvelliste, Verbier serait un foyer majeur du Covid-19. Afin d'éviter «une catastrophe» ces derniers implorent les autorités de prononcer une quarantaine sur la station, voire sur toute la vallée, afin de mettre fin aux mouvements des travailleurs ou des résidents entre la station et la plaine. ''

Verbier area seems to have a much higher number of cases and doctors in the region are begging for the town and in fact the whole valley to be under lock down - to avoid commuter workers from further in Valais coming in and out.
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Sweden:

My sister in law lives in Stockholm which has over 600 confirmed cases and 7 deaths by now, she is pregnant but forced to work as a teacher, her GP thinks she might have astma, but employer sticks to the law and says "we need confirmation and else you are healthy and not at risk since kids hardly the virus". So she called hospital for a consult to confirm astma or not, "yeah sorry we are to busy with Corona, no time for this" also she has to travel with public transport which is stuffed.

People still gather in the parks with hundreds at once, they go to concerts, they travel throughout the whole country, the ski resorts where stuffed and bars are full. It is a country in denial with the prime-minister saying things like "only a very few will suffer", the borders are widely open.

Sweden is a total -up.

That sounds awful Hope it's just a temporary thing.
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My sister in law lives in Stockholm which has over 600 confirmed cases and 7 deaths by now, she is pregnant but forced to work as a teacher, her GP thinks she might have astma, but employer sticks to the law and says "we need confirmation and else you are healthy and not at risk since kids hardly the virus". So she called hospital for a consult to confirm astma or not, "yeah sorry we are to busy with Corona, no time for this" also she has to travel with public transport which is stuffed.

People still gather in the parks with hundreds at once, they go to concerts, they travel throughout the whole country, the ski resorts where stuffed and bars are full. It is a country in denial with the prime-minister saying things like "only a very few will suffer", the borders are widely open.

Sweden is a total -up.
They aren't in denial, from the starting of the crisis they discovered large part of people already had the virus and never showed any symptoms, hence they see contagion is futile against this virus. That's why they handle it differently.
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Old 23.03.2020, 11:18
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Landi is still open, here in Neuchâtel at least, you can get practically anything there.
Landi near us is closed now, yours still running?
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Old 23.03.2020, 11:20
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That sounds awful Hope it's just a temporary thing.
With Sweden nothing should amaze us. I'd say their course of action is to tell the people it isn't so bad and get the whole country infected asap and if shit hits the fan they'll be like "oh hey, that's weird...."

They reduced amount of public transport as of today which only led to the busses being more crowded than normally already is happening.
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Landi near us is closed now, yours still running?

Landi closed????



The one I go to in Neftenbach is still open, although with reduced amount of products (no plants etc)
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Old 23.03.2020, 11:24
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They aren't in denial, from the starting of the crisis they discovered large part of people already had the virus and never showed any symptoms, hence they see contagion is futile against this virus. That's why they handle it differently.
Bunch of uninformed imaginary rubbish you type here.
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Landi closed????



The one I go to in Neftenbach is still open, although with reduced amount of products (no plants etc)
Some are open, some are closed.
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Old 23.03.2020, 11:29
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Sweden is a very different country. To begin with, their working hours per week are much shorter. They already had a lot of work flexibility before the virus. It would be good if someone from Sweden can do a better description, but I'd say business as usual in Sweden is already like a partial shutdown in other countries.

Anecdote: I have a Swedish subcontractor and they're doing home office since a week ago.
Well, one day off per week doesn't necessarily mean they are usually at home doing nothing, it means that they are instead going out doing other things. A lockdown means everyone isolating at home.

There is no sign that Sweden is doing things right, it's too early to tell that yet.
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Sweden is a very different country. To begin with, their working hours per week are much shorter. They already had a lot of work flexibility before the virus. It would be good if someone from Sweden can do a better description, but I'd say business as usual in Sweden is already like a partial shutdown in other countries.

Anecdote: I have a Swedish subcontractor and they're doing home office since a week ago.
To begin with the legal working hours in Sweden is 8 hours per day, compared to the Swiss 8.4 hours a day. But in reality the Swedes works the same amount as the Swiss do or in many cases more than this in many areas.
I'm in contact with many people at home and i would say that the amount of people working from home in Sweden is just slightly more than here in Switzerland.

I have been following the development in my homecountry as well as in Switzerland and Sweden is really not a role model.
While the Swiss government has taken some hard decisions that is hard to swallow for some people but is necessary, the weak Swedish government with its weak leader has been taking very few measures.
Here are some examples of the latest development in Sweden.

* A pandemic expert that is supposed to be the guy we turn to in this dire situation has said a lot of contraproductive nonsense. Spotify recently sent home their work force to continue working from home.
The media asked the "pandemic expert" what he though about this and he replied that it is a threat to equality. Everybody can not work from home and everybody should have equal opportunities to stay healthy....
The fact that less people on the street means less spread, which means less burden on the already overburdened healthcare system was not mentioned.

* 2 weeks after the outburst of Corona in the northern part of Italy, the Swedish government flew home Swedes that were stuck there. People aboard this flight reported a hell trip where people were coughing and acting sick.
When they landed they did not get quarantined. In fact, they got sent straight home without any tests at all.

* Sweden decided very early to stop testing on a mass scale. Way much earlier than Switzerland(and i heard that the Swiss picked this up again and started testing on a larger scale again).
The Swedish government are good with fiddling with numbers and lower numbers in this case looks better on paper. So even though the number is low on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The real numbers are closer to the Swiss numbers.

* In Sweden our wellfare is already overburdened and The healthcare system is one of the most overburdened aspects of it. People are stuck in operation queses. During an emergancy, it's now a days normal to sit in the emergancy room
for 16-20 hours. From the start we had 500 beds in the whole country ready to help those that needs advanced treatment incl. Respirators thanks to the Corona.
In this already dire situation, we now get the Coronavirus and the government decides to go for the option of "Herd immunity". The option that has the highest exponential curve of contained people at the same time.
An idiotic decision for sure, that will lead to more people being killed.

* The Swedish media who is a close ally to the current government has been ridiculing people in Sweden that has been taking proper measures. People were behaving just as usual.
It took the country 4 weeks including harsh news from Italy, Spain, UK and China to finaly realize that maybe this is for real and measures needs to be taken. Too bad the worst damage has been done already.
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Had a routine appointment made a few months ago with my GP today. Asked me not to go in and that she would phone instead. Gave me my results and then we had a quick natter about our families- and as usual I told HER to take care. She is such a lovely woman who has had terrible tragedy recently.
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